Sheffield Congestion Charge From Feb 27th 2023

[Ghozer]

Just now, The_DADDY said:

My bold

At that point I think the government may introduce Road Pricing. Everyone will pay by the mile which may sound good.

Except as we now see Sheffield and other councils are making moving around more difficult, restrictions, one way systems, banning cars from certain routes. A mile journey now might take 2, 3 or 4 miles in the not to distant future. 

tbh, the only way we'll know for sure, which ever way things happen, is to wait and see

There may be 'road pricing' or similar, but at that point it will also likely be 'all' road users (cars, bikes, and others) and not as it is now (which should stop people whining about cyclists not paying also) which should mean it's slightly cheaper all round (equivelent vs inflation at the time obv) as there's more paying (but we know what SCC's like, so probably wont work out like that)

SCC has always made terrible decisions re: transport and roads tbh...  however, one-way streets and more defined routes, will be better (and more efficient) for electric and self driving vehicles....

[fools]

2 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Do enlighten us on how you think a local council can exert any influence on emissions standards for trains, which are regulated by the government. 

how many red lights are there within .5 miles of the train station

[Planner1]

3 minutes ago, fools said:

how many red lights are there within .5 miles of the train station

How is that of any relevance to the point I was responding to, ie someone saying that SCC should tell train operators to “clean up their act” regarding diesel train emissions?

[fools]

2 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Do enlighten us on how you think a local council can exert any influence on emissions

What is the impact on congestion and pollution when introducing an array of traffic lights and multiple pedestrian crossings in close proximity to a train station.

 

What is the impact on congestion and pollution when introducing traffic restrictions, including bus gates to shift the flow of traffic onto a ring road next to a train station

 

What is the impact on congestion and pollution when stopping every taxi at a red light before and after entering a taxi rank.

 

What is the impact on congestion and pollution by making life so unpleasant for the motorist, that they have to resort to taxis, which wander about aimlessly day and night looking for a fare.

 

What percentage of vehicles can go from park square to London road without getting stopped at a traffic light at 3am

 

What is the impact on congestion and pollution when replacing roundabouts with light controlled junctions

Edited March 16, 2023 by fools

[sheffbag]

3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

It all has to be justified to and be approved by the government. It isn’t just a case of the council deciding what they want to do.

 

SCC’s committee chair said on air that they had asked the government and they said no.

 

Leeds and Nottingham are already approved by the govt. Leeds has the same position as Sheffield where it’s air is clean bar a couple of places and the govt approved scrapping the scheme 

 

Manchester and Liverpool have taken their non charging plans to govt for approval because they acknowledge that it would affect local businesses too much

 

please don’t use the SCC committee chairs appearance on Radio Sheffield as a valid point. It’s been dismissed for being false already and even you couldn’t back up some of her claims. She never said what reason they gave to scrap the scheme and then proceeded to lie saying it couldn’t be rescinded and that the govt woudl step in . Both of those claims are false so why should we believe anything else they said

[sheffbag]

4 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Well perhaps you should ask the environmental activists who took the government to court and forced the courts to make the government act, resulting in the imposition of CAZ’s.

 

Much of the inner ring road was built in the 1970’s when things were very different to how they are now. Back then, traffic levels were lower and no one was concerned about nitrogen dioxide and particulate levels. Times have changed.

 

No one is changing the function of the inner ring road.

 

Who exactly do you think is being inconvenienced? 
 

Cars are exempt as will be the vast majority of vans, buses and hgv’s ( as the euro 6 standard has been in place since around 2016 so all vehicles made since then will be compliant)

 

So, the only people “inconvenienced” are taxi owners and a relative minority of van, truck and bus owners who are being obliged to upgrade to newer vehicles ( for which there is a grant to assist with cost) 
 

Some of  them might divert to avoid being charged, so there’s a bit of inconvenience there but some will pay the charge.

 

So, saying everyone is inconvenienced is rather a gross exaggeration.

Cars will be exempt you say…..

for now. 
scc have already included costs for CAZ D in the business case for the caz.

 

I note as well that the materials for the signs were agreed to be procured in November 2021. 6 months before the final business case was published

[Planner1]

32 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Cars will be exempt you say…..

for now. 
scc have already included costs for CAZ D in the business case for the caz.

 

I note as well that the materials for the signs were agreed to be procured in November 2021. 6 months before the final business case was published

As you think you can see the future, what will the next lotto numbers be?

 

A properly developed business case will explore and cost the available options. That’s what the government ( ie the funder, who approves the business case) expects.

 

I don’t see the problem with proceeding at risk with procuring signs materials.

[sheffbag]

56 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

As you think you can see the future, what will the next lotto numbers be?

 

A properly developed business case will explore and cost the available options. That’s what the government ( ie the funder, who approves the business case) expects.

 

I don’t see the problem with proceeding at risk with procuring signs materials.

Scc have said all along that they won’t impose a caz D including cars yet the business case states

’there may be a requirement during the lifetime of the caz to move to a different level of caz in order to ensure compliance on NOx………this Caz D is optional and triggered at the discretion of scc’

lotto numbers are random, this is defined . Why not go and ask the scc committee chair as she’s good at getting things wrong

Edited March 16, 2023 by sheffbag

[Litotes]

2 hours ago, sheffbag said:

Scc have said all along that they won’t impose a caz D including cars yet the business case states

’there may be a requirement during the lifetime of the caz to move to a different level of caz in order to ensure compliance on NOx………this Caz D is optional and triggered at the discretion of scc’

lotto numbers are random, this is defined . Why not go and ask the scc committee chair as she’s good at getting things wrong

Just compounding the lies that we have seen from the SCC over the years.  I wonder if they would issue a legally binding statement that they won't roll this out to private cars?

After all, there should be no risk in doing so...

 

Perhaps Planner1 could confirm there should be no reason for them not to...

[Longcol]

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

Just compounding the lies that we have seen from the SCC over the years.  I wonder if they would issue a legally binding statement that they won't roll this out to private cars?

After all, there should be no risk in doing so...

 

 

How can a Local Authority issue a legally binding statement (if there is such an animal outside cobtract law) - especially if Central Government can pass legislation to the contrary?