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  1. Yes that is interesting. They are allowed to raise prices or extend hours in order to cover costs, but doing so expressly to generate surplus income is unlawful according to every legal opinion I’ve ever seen. Indeed one London Borough which drastically increased permit prices were found to have done so specifically to raise more income to cover gaps in service budgets ( via an FOI’d email from a councillor if I remember correctly). They were taken to court by residents, lost and had to pay back the increased costs to permit holders and rescind the price increase.
  2. In my experience, which is considerable, no councils put in parking restrictions just to make money. They do it for what are generally referred to as good traffic management reasons. That’s the only lawful reason they can do it. On the grand scale of council finance, surplus income from parking isn’t particularly big and it’s restricted on what you can spend it on. It’s also controversial and attracts negative publicity, so it isn’t easy and is not without political risk. So, they don’t pursue installing parking schemes just to make money. I’d suggest that one way of overcoming this perception would be to make at least the first permit free. It is done elsewhere and the fees received from permits cover the admin fees and not much more, so it isn’t a big financial issue as income from pay and display and penalties covers the overall costs. The powers that be in Sheffield decided that residents and businesses in permit zones need to contribute, but that could change if there was a will.
  3. The problem with that is who pays for the infrastructure? Councils certainly don’t have the money for it and central government doesn’t seem minded to fund large scale area wide roll-outs of on-street EV charging infrastructure. That leaves the private sector and I’ve seen no sign of them being willing to fund such initiatives. Would residents and businesses be willing to fund it via permit / membership fees? I doubt it as things currently stand.
  4. The situation is that there are a lot of junctions and accesses out there that aren’t protected by waiting restrictions. There is simply not enough budget / political will to put restrictions in at every location which might need them. ( these things cost a lot more than most folk imagine as processing the legal orders needed costs thousands) In residential areas which have high levels of parking due to residents having too many cars for the road space, the people most affected by the problems this causes are the residents themselves. There are rarely any real road traffic accident / collision issues actually caused by the inappropriate parking, probably because the parking constrains speeds and drivers and pedestrians tend to take more care because of the perceived danger. The reality of the situation is that there’s never enough money to do everything that people want, so decision makers have to make very difficult decisions and prioritise spending. In a political environment, where the decision makers ( councillors) are accountable at the ballot box, politicians are not going to want to upset large numbers of voters in their ward if they can avoid it. That means they generally don’t want to introduce measures which will be unacceptable to most voters unless it is absolutely necessary. In most cases, the current arrangements work sort of ok, and there aren’t great numbers of collisions ( and there are separate budgets to treat accident hotspots), so the spend is prioritised on other things.
  5. Not really. The motorists/residents themselves clearly view convenience as being more important than safety and aren’t usually happy with anyone who wants to change things to make it safer, but less convenient for them. That’s why the politicians are generally content to let them get on with it.
  6. It’s the same issue for any council. Public acceptability. Councillors make the decisions and aren’t likely to approve measures which will lose them votes in considerable numbers. So you are trying to contend that there aren’t issues with commuter parking in Park Hill area? I really don’t think that is the case.
  7. Many areas have parking issues of differing types. Some of them are basically caused by the residents themselves. Parking schemes aren’t great for locations like that.
  8. They can’t really put in schemes without pay and display machines as it is seen as disadvantaging those who don’t have (or want to,use) app based solutions. Other places tried to go cashless Brighton was a notable one) and took out machines, but after protests from motorists, had to put some back. The council now typically put in less machines than they used to on previous schemes because many do use the apps, but many still want to use cash.
  9. Yes, but the cars generally belong to the residents. A parking scheme won’t make that better, in fact it would make the situation worse, because they would protect junctions and accesses with yellow lines, so there would be less space available. That would be an issue for the residents, who might not want a scheme as a result. There was a similar issue on several streets in the Sharrow Vale scheme and residents decided to opt out of that scheme on certain streets.
  10. Broomhill and Broomhall are both leafy suburbs and both have parking schemes. Both have conservation areas too. The residents and businesses there had been asking for parking schemes for years and the schemes were generally welcomed. When the schemes were installed, the council were as sympathetic to the nature of the places as they could be and some of the street features were replaced ( like with bollards which were more in keeping with the area) or remodelled to improve the look of the place. Yet again, you’re scare mongering about a potential scheme in Nether Edge when you have no factual evidence to back up your assertion that it might be “next” and even I’ve provided a link to the parking strategy the council are using, which specifically mentions the areas where they are looking to introduce parking schemes. Nether Edge is not among them, for the simple reason that the area doesn’t experience the severe parking problems that exist elsewhere, so it isn’t a priority. I have more direct knowledge of council policy on this than most as I used to work for the council and that was one of the areas of work I dealt with.
  11. I think you are missing the point. You have come and posted incorrect information on a number of points. You posts are alarmist about which areas might be next and yet you openly admit to a lack of observation on the schemes you are so against and haven’t even noticed that one of the areas you say will be “next” actually already has a scheme. It doesn’t help your case and doesn’t do much for your credibility. Getting your facts right is important as on forums there’s usually someone who does know the correct information and will shoot down your argument. There are arguments for and against schemes like this and I’ve always said to people who live and do business in the proposed locations that they should be very sure that what’s on offer meets their needs and tell the council if it doesn’t. These schemes will never suit everyone, but it is important to remember that they reflect the thrust of policy at local and national level, which is to discourage car use for as many trips as possible. In my opinion the only effective way to do that is to make things more difficult or expensive for the motorist and limiting the availability of free parking close to the city centre is one way of discouraging car commuting. There is plenty of parking in the city centre and the prices compare well with other similar size cities, but many folk just don’t want to pay.
  12. The council are usually open to discussion on the details of any scheme. On previous parking schemes, the standard treatment was a single yellow line to protect driveways, but they did change it to a white line ( which is advisory only and not enforceable) if a resident or business requested it. The location of parking machines is normally also up for discussion, they normally only need one or two on a street unless it is very long. However, be aware that most people don’t like having such infrastructure outside their houses, so they will probably get the same objection wherever they put the machine and it’s got to go somewhere.
  13. I’d suggest you might read the council’s parking strategy here. It tells you which areas they regard as having high levels of parking pressure. Those are the ones they are going to look to introduce parking schemes in. Kellham, Neepsend and Park Hill are in that list, Nether Edge is not.
  14. In one of your earlier posts you were speculating that Nether Edge and Crookesmoor would be next for parking schemes. Crookesmoor actually has a parking scheme. Did you not know? Nether Edge is not a council priority for a parking scheme. The areas they will be looking at are listed in their adopted parking strategy which you can find here They are listed as the areas known to be experiencing high levels of parking pressure in the Non City Centre Controlled Parking Zones section. They are mainly the areas immediately adjacent to the city centre.
  15. My advice would be not to underestimate the amount of displaced parking there will be. On other schemes, streets were left out at residents request because they reckoned they didn’t have a problem and didn’t think they would in future. But, once the scheme actually went in, they were asking to be put back into the scheme because things rapidly got worse. I’d also advise you that parking can be a very polarising issue and people have very strong opinions about it. Not everyone will agree with your point of view and some people can fall out with you in a big way.
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