Baron99 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, petemcewan said: There's going to be some interesting logistical problems to be addressed in getting the mRNA vaccine into people. Possible military run centres for large scale vaccination . I can't see how one can just nip up the GP's and get jabbed . Cold Chain logistics need to be sorted , Not least that the vaccine needs to be transported & stored at around -70 to -80 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Thirsty Relic and Baron 99 both spot on The Moderna mRNA vaccine looks like it can be shipped and stored in ordinary freezer trucks. Other vaccine candidates seem to have even less severe storage requirements. Let's hope that there are very capable and clever people being drafted in to manage the whole storage and delivery programme of the BioNTech vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, petemcewan said: Thirsty Relic and Baron 99 both spot on The Moderna mRNA vaccine looks like it can be shipped and stored in ordinary freezer trucks. Other vaccine candidates seem to have even less severe storage requirements. Let's hope that there are very capable and clever people being drafted in to manage the whole storage and delivery programme of the BioNTech vaccine. Dry ice would give you a nice temp of about -70 Celsius, so storage shouldn’t be too difficult. I’d imagine that the brains who could make an RNA based vaccine, should be able to work out how to keep it cool. Here’s hoping anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRESLEY Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, petemcewan said: Thirsty Relic and Baron 99 both spot on The Moderna mRNA vaccine looks like it can be shipped and stored in ordinary freezer trucks. Other vaccine candidates seem to have even less severe storage requirements. Let's hope that there are very capable and clever people being drafted in to manage the whole storage and delivery programme of the BioNTech vaccine. Capable and clever people, that rules out Boris and his sidekick Hancock then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Jim Hardie said: Sheffield, Rotherham and Barnsley have been left off the list of 67 places to receive mass testing. A bit odd as we were all previously in Tier 3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54885657 Tories killing off the socialist republics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruby Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Greg Fell made an interesting point at the end of his latest update. Apparently 80% of people believe that if they caught covid it would be from a stranger. Of course the reverse is true, as we spend more time with family and friends. I’ve suspected a lot of people think this from the outset and it is probably one of the reasons covid can spread so quickly. Some people will worry unnecessarily about passing a stranger on a footpath briefly but won’t consider their own close family and friends to pose the same danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, redruby said: Greg Fell made an interesting point at the end of his latest update. Apparently 80% of people believe that if they caught covid it would be from a stranger. Of course the reverse is true, as we spend more time with family and friends. I’ve suspected a lot of people think this from the outset and it is probably one of the reasons covid can spread so quickly. Some people will worry unnecessarily about passing a stranger on a footpath briefly but won’t consider their own close family and friends to pose the same danger. Great point - we all relax at home. We take off and bin our masks (assuming like me the only reason people go out is to shop these days), then relax and watch a bit of tele and play with the kids when they get home from school. Innocent little ones can't have mingled with many others and brought Covid home with them, could they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, melthebell said: Tories killing off the socialist republics Oh come on Mel - you know the Tories are totally above board when it comes to distributing funding etc 😎. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/11/inquiry-raises-concerns-over-how-36bn-towns-fund-was-distributed Been looking at the 67 boroughs that will get mass testing - as far as I can see none of the 17 London Boroughs on the list are in the top 80 of the most affected areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 7 hours ago, petemcewan said: Thirsty Relic and Baron 99 both spot on The Moderna mRNA vaccine looks like it can be shipped and stored in ordinary freezer trucks. Other vaccine candidates seem to have even less severe storage requirements. Let's hope that there are very capable and clever people being drafted in to manage the whole storage and delivery programme of the BioNTech vaccine. It looks like that has already been sorted out: "once the vaccine has been transported it can be stored in a fridge for up to five days at 2-8C – which is entirely feasible in a standard medicine fridge at a GP practice" https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/special-shipping-for-pfizer-vaccine-with-remote-temperature-monitoring-39731098.html Before GP's question how they can do this while doing their normal work, could I suggest an off-the-wall idea (in addition to using sports stadiums and centres/community halls etc)? Ice cream vans transport their produce at low temperatures. Can't they be requisitioned to help deliver them where they are needed, in addition to other provision? I can't see too many being used in November, and I can't see large trucks being able to get to isolated communities/bedridden patients unable to get to injections centres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky B Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Thirsty Relic said: It looks like that has already been sorted out: "once the vaccine has been transported it can be stored in a fridge for up to five days at 2-8C – which is entirely feasible in a standard medicine fridge at a GP practice" https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/special-shipping-for-pfizer-vaccine-with-remote-temperature-monitoring-39731098.html Before GP's question how they can do this while doing their normal work, could I suggest an off-the-wall idea (in addition to using sports stadiums and centres/community halls etc)? Ice cream vans transport their produce at low temperatures. Can't they be requisitioned to help deliver them where they are needed, in addition to other provision? I can't see too many being used in November, and I can't see large trucks being able to get to isolated communities/bedridden patients unable to get to injections centres. Then if the music's playing the vaccine has run out? 😆. Now I've got your image of a tank coming up the street (and everyone losing their cars in the process) followed by an ice cream van! Can I add to the ideas flow? Snipers with dart guns loaded with vaccine (in the manner of tranquiliser guns)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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