80peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Simplistic. Wouldn't work. Ok why would it fail? We got to address the issue of gun and knife crime it's not going away anytime soon we have some teenagers tooled up walking the streets they think it's ' cool' the pull of gang culture is strong how do we change that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Ok why would it fail? We got to address the issue of gun and knife crime it's not going away anytime soon we have some teenagers tooled up walking the streets they think it's ' cool' the pull of gang culture is strong how do we change that ? By forgiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 let em get on with it only killing the drug dealing scum that they all are If only it was just those who were being killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Rhys_Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 the pull of gang culture is strong how do we change that ? By giving young people something to do (jobs?) and by legalising ALL drugs so that street drug dealing is no longer profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthor Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Mandatory, effective, comprehensive, and up-to-date drugs education for all school children, with regular top-up sessions as necessary, eg when new drugs start to appear, new guidance emerges, or new changes in the law - and the same for gun and knife crime education, with 'real life' speakers for all three. Local drug help centres and drug distribution centres with free detox and education programs for all. Free vocational, further and higher education for all, no matter age, status, etc. More use of pop-up street scans for knives and guns, particularly in areas already affected. People to stop hiding their heads in the sand and pretending that 'targeted' knife and gun crimes aren't something we should be concerned about. This coupled with the rise in young people with mental health problems not being addressed is a ticking time bomb. If we don't get this under control now, we will have no chance and soon will become worse than the USA because good, innocent people will be the only ones without guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Ok why would it fail? Because there's ample evidence to suggest that simply upping sentences has no deterrent effect. For ideas that would genuinely impact on knife and gun crime look at the ideas proposed by Lex Luthor and Top Cat's Hat above this reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomgeg Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The courts are to soft on people who carry and use weapons. The sentences should be as follows. Life for killing someone and I mean life. 30 years for wounding someone with a gun. 25 years for the possession of a gun. 20 years for stabbing someone. 10 years for carrying any kind of bladed weapon Why waste money on board and lodgings for years? They'll never be any good for anything, just put them down and use the organs for spare part surgery, at least they'd then be making a contribution to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancmart Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Is it really that frightening? Firstly its contained to certain areas Burngreave being the main one. Second its a targeted shooting. We are no more likely to get shot at getting a bottle of milk from the corner shop now as we were 5 years ago. These are gangs of mainly lads fighting with each other. Yes the police need to do more but I think the law abiding public is safe its just the gangs that are not. Burnreave, Wybourn, Woodthorpe, where else? 'just lads fighting each other?' ah well that's ok then. Honorable lads, just like the Krays. Innocents are as safe as houses me old china. Until you stand up to one of them. Been there, done that. It doesn't take much for 'innocents' to get on the wrong side of these hoods, and if you can use your fists (which I was trained all my life to do) then we'll just pop you brother! Don't give me this nonsense about civilians being safe, as long as there are guns in the hands of criminals and the police are unprepared, underfunded and the courts and government do little to address this, then I don't feel safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Because there's ample evidence to suggest that simply upping sentences has no deterrent effect. For ideas that would genuinely impact on knife and gun crime look at the ideas proposed by Lex Luthor and Top Cat's Hat above this reply. Can you provide evidence of a criminal shooting or stabbing someone out on the streets whilst they are in prison ? You cant walk down the street and stab or shoot someone if you are in the slammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey finn Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 By giving young people something to do (jobs?) and by legalising ALL drugs so that street drug dealing is no longer profitable. Poppycock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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