mike1961 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Planner1 said: It’s nothing to do with making money.  It’s pretty obvious that the government were minded that as you say, improvements in vehicle emissions would eventually bring air quality within legal limits.  However, government were taken to court by environmental activists and the courts instructed the government to rectify the problem as quickly as possible.  That’s why CAZ’s are being introduced.  The charging is a way of encouraging vehicle owners to upgrade to cleaner ones, that’s all. Who runs the country then ,is it the government or is it the courts?. What would have happened if the government said no to the court ruling?.  To be honest at the moment it feels very much like that the majority are having to bend over backwards for the minority in so many different situations.  23 minutes ago, Planner1 said: It’s nothing to do with making money.  It’s pretty obvious that the government were minded that as you say, improvements in vehicle emissions would eventually bring air quality within legal limits.  However, government were taken to court by environmental activists and the courts instructed the government to rectify the problem as quickly as possible.  That’s why CAZ’s are being introduced.  The charging is a way of encouraging vehicle owners to upgrade to cleaner ones, that’s all. Carrot and stick ,trouble is the stick eg the fines are too big at the moment particularly with the current cost of living crisis and the carrots are way way too small eg the grants to upgrade your vehicle.  This nonsense has to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S35_2o21 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 hours ago, soopah said: There was an article the other day about how the now defunct cameras in Manchester have been helping out the police as ANPR cameras, but the crux of the article was "that no public consultation was required as to the future use of the cameras once the funding to install them was aquired" Meaning that once they are installed, whether the scheme is still active or not they've basically got free reign of what to use the cameras for. More surveillance by stealth Surely this is subject to a legal challenge though, due to GDPR stipulations. I am no expert but I thought that data had to be captured for a specific purpose and only used for that purpose. The potential of 'mission creep' for this kind of technology is scary.  Hopefully those pesky lawyers will challenge this.  14 hours ago, HeHasRisen said: Probably not, the request to the DVLA will be "does this vehicle need to be charged under the terms of a category C (think thats the term?) CAZ"?  It wont be bothered with lack of VED, MOT and/or insurance, thats still a job for the feds. We are waiting to see if we get a PCN for crossing the Dartford bridge over the NY period. Our car was previously a motability vehicle. We bought the car in October and the forms were completed to change the use with the DVLA. We tried to pay the toll for crossing the bridge, but we couldn't as the car is still listed as exempt. So now we are waiting to see if we get a PCN. It's now nearly 3 months later and no sign of a PCN. I'm guessing that the DVLA are as snowed under with these kinds of requests.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 10 hours ago, mike1961 said: Who runs the country then ,is it the government or is it the courts?. What would have happened if the government said no to the court ruling?.  To be honest at the moment it feels very much like that the majority are having to bend over backwards for the minority in so many different situations.  Carrot and stick ,trouble is the stick eg the fines are too big at the moment particularly with the current cost of living crisis and the carrots are way way too small eg the grants to upgrade your vehicle.  This nonsense has to stop The government set the laws, but the courts enforce them.  It can’t be denied that the air quality is in breach of legal limits, so you can’t blame people for not being happy about it and wanting redress in court.  The courts can enforce the law by imposing very large fines ( many millions). The government have sidestepped this now by passing a law allowing them to passport any fines received directly to any local authority where exceedences of legal limits have brought on the fines.  The fines for not paying a CAZ fee aren’t that big, £60 if paid within 14 days. You can always argue for more grants for upgrades no matter how much the government gave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 hours ago, The_DADDY said: Have you considered doing stand up comedy? With jokes like that youll make a fortune. I think you’re clearly deluded if you think the government has set up the whole CAZ thing so local authorities can make money from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Planner1 said: The government set the laws, but the courts enforce them.  It can’t be denied that the air quality is in breach of legal limits, so you can’t blame people for not being happy about it and wanting redress in court.  The courts can enforce the law by imposing very large fines ( many millions). The government have sidestepped this now by passing a law allowing them to passport any fines received directly to any local authority where exceedences of legal limits have brought on the fines.  The fines for not paying a CAZ fee aren’t that big, £60 if paid within 14 days. You can always argue for more grants for upgrades no matter how much the government gave. Speak for your self , £60 can be a days wage for a self employed cleaner or carer . They are not living of the fat of the land like town planners and expenses raking councillors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, cuttsie said: Speak for your self , £60 can be a days wage for a self employed cleaner or carer . They are not living of the fat of the land like town planners and expenses raking councillors Why would a self employed cleaner or carer need to pay £60? Assuming their vehicle isnt compliant they pay the tenner, its only £60 if they dont pay it within a week, are people conveniently forgetting this?  In my experience most carers drive private cars anyway, so they wouldnt have to pay nowt. Edited March 22, 2023 by HeHasRisen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1961 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Planner1 said: The government set the laws, but the courts enforce them.  It can’t be denied that the air quality is in breach of legal limits, so you can’t blame people for not being happy about it and wanting redress in court.  The courts can enforce the law by imposing very large fines ( many millions). The government have sidestepped this now by passing a law allowing them to passport any fines received directly to any local authority where exceedences of legal limits have brought on the fines.  The fines for not paying a CAZ fee aren’t that big, £60 if paid within 14 days. You can always argue for more grants for upgrades no matter how much the government gave. Excuse me the fines are ridiculous,£60.00 if paid within 14 days ,when we deliver in the city centre 7 days a week that's £420.00 , absolutely disgusting,the idiots that have imposed this on us have no sense of reality and need to try working for themselves to earn a living rather than being paid from public funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) Just now, mike1961 said: Excuse me the fines are ridiculous,£60.00 if paid within 14 days ,when we deliver in the city centre 7 days a week that's £420.00 Pay the daily tenner on time (within a week) and its £70. Are you forgetting this too?  If you leave it over a week for it to multiply by six, then thats your stupid decision. Edited March 22, 2023 by HeHasRisen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleNarrator Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said: Pay the daily tenner on time (within a week) and its £70. Are you forgetting this too?  If you leave it over a week for it to multiply by six, then thats your stupid decision. Do these fines clean the air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, HumbleNarrator said: Do these fines clean the air? You would need to ask someone else that, mate. I am just pointing out someones stupidity for letting a £10 charge become a £60 one for no apparently reason.  If you were given an option of paying a £100 Council Tax bill today, or £600 if you left it a week, which would you do? Edited March 22, 2023 by HeHasRisen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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