top4718 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, butlers said: Gibraltar leads the vaccine race. Over 105% of the population vaccinated Not sure how you get 105%, did you not do maths in school. Gibraltar is 99% vaccinated and had a little upsurge in cases in August. 1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said: Israeli Government funded scientists publishing in mainstream scientific journals, picked up by mainstream media. You are getting desperate. Other recent headlines from "...arguably the world leaders in covid vaccination". "Pfizer BioNTech vaccine reduced cases by 94% in Israel, shows peer reviewed study". "Covid vaccine could be rolled out to children by autumn." "Two doses of Pfizer vaccine are “highly effective” against infection, hospital admission, and death, study finds". "Israel sees new infections plummet following vaccinations". "More young children are being infected in Israel and Italy, emerging data suggest". If two doses of Pfizer are that effective you won't be bothering with the booster I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 It was actually over 105% at one bit. Easy to find the reason if you care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top4718 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, butlers said: It was actually over 105% at one bit. Easy to find the reason if you care I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 If anyone is really interested in the information coming out of Israel, the AAAS has just published this: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta Headlines: Vacccines stop delta from making you ill. Vaccines don’t prevent infection. Plenty of other stuff in there, but it requires an attention span and a bit of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, top4718 said: Not sure how you get 105%, did you not do maths in school. Gibraltar is 99% vaccinated and had a little upsurge in cases in August. If two doses of Pfizer are that effective you won't be bothering with the booster I assume? Lol I was wondering about the 105 per cent too, maybe they vaccinated some from another country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, melthebell said: Lol I was wondering about the 105 per cent too, maybe they vaccinated some from another country You mean like all those Spaniards who cross the border every day to do their jobs in Gibraltar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top4718 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 You can post as many pro vaccine stats as you want but the fact of the matter is that people are still getting ill and being hospitalised who've had two jabs, no escaping the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbuncle Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, sibon said: If anyone is really interested in the information coming out of Israel, the AAAS has just published this: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta Headlines: Vacccines stop delta from making you ill. Vaccines don’t prevent infection. Plenty of other stuff in there, but it requires an attention span and a bit of thought. Nice find. It is a pity that they did not do a double blind randomised controlled trial though. Although it's strongly suggestive of waning immunity, the people who got the vaccine early and are now showing higher rates of breakthrough infection don't match the later vaccine recipients in terms of age or presumably behaviour although the preprint authors seem to have attempted some kind of partial fix-up. 4 minutes ago, top4718 said: You can post as many pro vaccine stats as you want but the fact of the matter is that people are still getting ill and being hospitalised who've had two jabs, no escaping the fact. There are often intermediates between perfect and hopeless. This applies to evidence, vaccines, the ability of masks to filter, the benefits of social distancing, ... Edited August 20, 2021 by Carbuncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, top4718 said: You can post as many pro vaccine stats as you want but the fact of the matter is that people are still getting ill and being hospitalised who've had two jabs, no escaping the fact. There's also no escaping the fact that far less are getting ill enough to require hospitalisation, or ill enough to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, top4718 said: If two doses of Pfizer are that effective you won't be bothering with the booster I assume? Now that is a fail. No Pfizer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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