Beggars, homeless, street drinkers & drug users in Sheffield!

[Pussycat12]

On 30/01/2020 at 19:27, thecult said:

Apart from all the know side effects ? Which includes all the effects you have listed (minus diarrhea and replaced with constipation).  Plus of course the crippling dependance which just gets worse over time.

 

Yes we are aware that going cold turkey is not great but its a damn sight better than od'ing

 

Handing it out freely to addicts is not going to solve anything. They will only top up with street gear as they do on methodone.

 

Education is what is needed, along with the will of the user to stop for a better life

Edit : Can i ask were your "knowledge and understanding" for this subject matter is coming from? Apologies if you have already mentioned,its a long thread

I have a close relative who is a Heroin Addict & has been for almost 30 years.

 

Q.. where does your supposedly expert knowledge come from ?

Edited February 4, 2020 by Pussycat12

[Longcol]

8 hours ago, the_bloke said:

So does `longcol sheffield holiday spain` but that doesn't mean you haven't been on holiday to Spain.

I think the big issue seller going on holiday would be rather more newsworthy - what do you think?

[Robin-H]

On 28/01/2020 at 23:32, lottiecass said:

My pitiful lack of knowledge on this subject? I know far more about this subject than you realise. You have a typical liberal attitude. It is possible to be weaned off heroin without the severe side effects but you would know that. So who makes them carry on using? Crass ignorance is thinking addicts have no other choice.

Then please enlighten us. As you know so much on the subject, I presume you've read the very comprehensive Roundtree report on the subject. 

 

Why do you disagree with its conclusions, which states that an increase in the provision of giving heroin as treatment in multi-centre, randomised, controlled trials is well overdue. You seem to be very much against this. What do you know that they didn't? 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Robin-H

[Halibut]

On 03/02/2020 at 21:49, sedith said:

Our Big Issue seller in Somerset went to Croatia for two weeks on holiday.. WTF?

Maybe they worked really hard? Maybe someone kind bought them the holiday?

 

It almost sounds like you resent them having done this...if they did.

[wearysmith]

People will always judge on individual experiences. Get your head around this scenario; 

 

Remember back in November when the Xmas cabins appeared on Fargate, we took our 3 year old granddaughter and one year old grandson down to see the lights and meet Father Christmas. It was a very cold evening and we bought the kids 3 hot sausage rolls from Greggs. Robyn tucked into hers and for Rory we broke one in half as he couldn't manage a full one (wife's a veggie so I had the other half). We held on to the 3rd one in case Robyn got hungry again later in the evening. She didn't, so rather than take a sausage roll home my wife offered it to a man sat outside WHSmith. He took it, looked at her and gave it back immediately saying "It's cold. Don't want a cold one". The distain on his face was evident.

So that comes back to the real truth of 'homeless' people in the city centre; are they genuinely homeless/hungry or just druggies who are offended if you don't give them cash? How are we ever to know? Simple answer - we never will. Do we stop trying to help? Well, if anymore of that behaviour continues, probably. 

[alchresearch]

14 hours ago, Longcol said:

I think the big issue seller going on holiday would be rather more newsworthy - what do you think?

Seeing as how most provincial newspaper reporters rely on forums and Facebook for their news, I'd now expect it to be in the paper in a week or so.

[Pussycat12]

16 hours ago, Robin-H said:

Then please enlighten us. As you know so much on the subject, I presume you've read the very comprehensive Roundtree report on the subject. 

 

Why do you disagree with its conclusions, which states that an increase in the provision of giving heroin as treatment in multi-centre, randomised, controlled trials is well overdue. You seem to be very much against this. What do you know that they didn't? 

Completely Agree Robin...A close family member has been using heroin for many many years as said previously, he has been in prison many many times & each time he was released he was clean but not for long...      Once the chemical changes in the brain have set in, which can happen quite quickly, the craving never goes away...Heroin is deadly !!!!!!!!!!!

its far better IMHO  to treat & monitor them than let them carry on stealing to fund the addiction & buying the crap from dealers on the streets.

[redruby]

9 hours ago, wearysmith said:

People will always judge on individual experiences. Get your head around this scenario; 

 

Remember back in November when the Xmas cabins appeared on Fargate, we took our 3 year old granddaughter and one year old grandson down to see the lights and meet Father Christmas. It was a very cold evening and we bought the kids 3 hot sausage rolls from Greggs. Robyn tucked into hers and for Rory we broke one in half as he couldn't manage a full one (wife's a veggie so I had the other half). We held on to the 3rd one in case Robyn got hungry again later in the evening. She didn't, so rather than take a sausage roll home my wife offered it to a man sat outside WHSmith. He took it, looked at her and gave it back immediately saying "It's cold. Don't want a cold one". The distain on his face was evident.

So that comes back to the real truth of 'homeless' people in the city centre; are they genuinely homeless/hungry or just druggies who are offended if you don't give them cash? How are we ever to know? Simple answer - we never will. Do we stop trying to help? Well, if anymore of that behaviour continues, probably. 

A friend had a very similar experience in another city.  He offered a hot dog he had just bought to a ‘homeless’ person only for it to be refused as he ‘didn’t know where it had been’.  

The amount of begging in the city centre is a disgrace. Yes, it’s partly down to tories and austerity but it’s also due to misguided people giving to beggars. The only people profiting here are the drug dealers. 

[Longcol]

58 minutes ago, redruby said:

A friend had a very similar experience in another city.  He offered a hot dog he had just bought to a ‘homeless’ person only for it to be refused as he ‘didn’t know where it had been’.  

The amount of begging in the city centre is a disgrace. Yes, it’s partly down to tories and austerity but it’s also due to misguided people giving to beggars. The only people profiting here are the drug dealers. 

Maybe because of the wide publicity given to stories like this?

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/25/cop-gave-homeless-man-poop-sandwich-set-keep-job-9014406/

[catmiss]

As per previous post : workers in homeless services advise not giving money/food/drink to individuals. They argue this will force those in genuine need to access services providing food/drink alongside advice and support to address underlying issues and access accommodation. They ask anyone wanting to help signpost people to local services