Kingmaker2 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The Vice presidential debate is taking place right now! Palin already mentioned the words "hockey mom" and Joe Six pack" and we are only 10 minutes in! She looks out of her depth already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The Vice presidential debate is taking place right now! Palin already mentioned the words "hockey mom" and Joe Six pack" and we are only 10 minutes in! She looks out of her depth already. I'm working at mo King...can you keep us up to speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Mod note: This thread had gone way, WAY, off topic and I'm now returning it after pruning. Please keep it on topic, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 So the Nu Labour socialists are doing the same thing as the American republicans then? What's your point? Appeasement or pandering to the wishes of powerful groups is not the political domain, exclusively of Labour Socialists or American Republicans, nor is it necessarily a bad thing, I think the Republican administration line is absolutely the right one in this event. You appeared to suggest that only socialists appease. A British Conservative government and an American Republican government could work so well together. All socialists will appease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriessix Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Jay Jay French and Friends - I Want Barack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingmaker2 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I'm working at mo King...can you keep us up to speed? Sorry Alien I turned off my PC to focus on the debate. My take on it: Palin certainly put in a better performance than her Couric interviews suggested she was capable of, and some relieved Republicans even think she wiped the floor with Biden, although that is a wild exaggerated viewpoint to say the least. Biden was clearly the better of the two, with more knowledge and better command of the facts. I suspect that had the Couric interviews not taken place ,and more eyes were focused on the actual debate, rather than how well Palin would perform, then the headlines would read : Biden too knowlegable for folksy Palin. But of course the focus was on whether Palin could hold it together or not. It seemed clear from the outset that Palin was trying to regurgitate memorised facts and talking points ,and had prepared words like "hockey mom" "Joe Six pack" and her favourate word of the evening "maverick" which she reapeated throughout the debate. Although that seem to backfire towards the end when Biden unleashed his best attack ,when he reeled off a list of policies that showed McCain to be no maverick, Palin had no answer to that. Palin also sidestepped a number of questions and tried to switchback on her favourite topic, Alaska and Alaskan oil, something she felt more comfortable talking about than foreign policy that's for sure. When the moderater asked on the Middle East, whether she believed in the 2 state solution Palin talked about Israel being one of America's closest ally, and that American would do all it can to help Israel.........no mention of the Palastinians, even though the question was supposed to be about the 2 state solution. Unfortunately Biden seem to miss a trick here, in his reply he too made no mention of the Palestinians. At one point Palin referred to Condoleezza Rice having talks with "leaders" in the region...she couldn't expand on which leaders though. Palin kept reminding us that McCain was the only one that truely "fought" for America. She even went as far as saying that John MCcain knows how to win wars, which seemed an odd thing to say ........perhaps forgetting that McCain had been shot down, and taken as a POW in Vietnam.....hardly an example of McCain knowing how to win a war! The most laughable moment for me, came when Palin was doing her own version of the "Axis of evil". She said Ahmadinejad was insane, and that the world needed protecting against dangerous dictators like Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il and the Castro brothers! The Castro brothers!......was Palin having another Palin moment there, was she trying to say Hugo Chavez?....who knows what's in Palin's head. So Palin survived, but she was a long way from bettering Biden in the debate. Biden the clear victor in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSparkle Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Sorry Alien I turned off my PC to focus on the debate. My take on it: Palin certainly put in a better performance than her Couric interviews suggested she was capable of, and some relieved Republicans even think she wiped the floor with Biden, although that is a wild exaggerated viewpoint to say the least. Biden was clearly the better of the two, with more knowledge and better command of the facts. I suspect that had the Couric interviews not taken place ,and more eyes were focused on the actual debate, rather than how well Palin would perform, then the headlines would read : Biden too knowlegable for folksy Palin. But of course the focus was on whether Palin could hold it together or not. It seemed clear from the outset that Palin was trying to regurgitate memorised facts and talking points ,and had prepared words like "hockey mom" "Joe Six pack" and her favourate word of the evening "maverick" which she reapeated about throughout the debate. Although that seem to backfire towards the end when Biden unleashed his best attack ,when he reeled off a list of policies that showed McCain to be no maverick, Palin had no answer to that. Palin also sidestepped a number of questions and tried to switchback on her favourite topic, Alaska and Alaskan oil, something she felt more comfotable talking about than foreign policy that's for sure. When the moderater asked whether she believed in the 2 state solution Palin talked about Israel being one of America's closest ally and that American would do all it can to hepl Israel.........no mention of the Palastinians even though the question was supposed to be about the 2 state soloution. Unfortunately Biden seem to miss a trick here, in his reply he too made no mention of the Palestinians. At one point Palin refer to Condoleezza Rice having talks with "leaders" in the region...she couldn't expand on which leaders though. Palin kept reminding us that McCain was the only one that truely "fought" for America. She even went as far as saying that John MCcain knows how to win wars, which seemed an odd thing to say when few people view the Vietnam war as a victory. The most laughable moment for me came when Palin was doing her own version of the "Axis of evil". She said Ahmadinejad was insane, and that the world needed protecting against dangerous dictators like Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il and the Castro brothers! The Castro brothers!......was Palin having another Palin moment there, was she trying to say Hugo Chavez?....who knows what's in Palin's head. So Palin survived, but she was a long way from bettering Biden in the debate. Biden the clear victor in my opinion. Obviously the back-up act for the Marx Brothers! Oh dear... StarSparkle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Here's a clip of some hilariously transparently and rather incompetently attempted propaganda from 'fair and ballenced' Fox News For those that can't see the clip the 'reporter' asks the customers in a cafe to raise their hands for the candidate they're going to vote for. Two people raise their hands for McCain the 'reporter' himself and an old man who's wife immediately makes him put his hand down. Then everyone on camera but for the reporter puts their hand up for Obama. This overwhelming display of support for Obama prompts the following response from the 'reporter'. "See it's split, I'd say a little heavier towards Obama in the room at the moment and that's why North Eastern Pennsylvania is definitely a battleground area." Cue the customers in the diner laughing in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 For those who know anything about baseball it was like this. On Wednesday Palin was up at bat with two strikes against her. Last night she hit a home run. The McCain-Obama game could now be tied I dont know if the UK gets all the American News channels besides CNN and FOx News but observers here on both side of the political spectrum agree that both Biden and Palin held their own very well. Having watched the debate myself I found that to be true and there was a pleasant absence of any peevishness on either side. Biden and Palin even appeared to like each other. What a credit to America, a nation with 300 million people of diverse races, religions and ideas that an election to decide who should lead it can be conducted in such a civilized manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The Castro brothers!......was Palin having another Palin moment there, was she trying to say Hugo Chavez?....who knows what's in Palin's head. I believe she was referring to Fidel Castro's brother, Raul, who is now the president of Cuba. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/24/world/main3869691.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3869691 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/world/americas/25cuba.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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