Some good news at last - Obama is back in front

[Lotusflower]

You are not paying attention Swami or not getting gist of my words. What I am saying is that Palin has come back from being written off as a complete loser to someone who has earned a modicum of credibility. That is a fact without me expressing this as a McCain supporter which I am not in the upcoming election. One has to see the facts from a general standpoint.

 

If she continues to earn some degree of credibilty over the next few weeks amongst voters who at this time have reservations about her fitness to take over the presidency this election like the last two will be an extremely close one.

 

Personally I would feel more comfortable spending a day at Santa Anita betting on the horsies than I would making a bet on the outcome of the election

 

It's just as i feared then... am receiving you loud and clear...and...gullibility on an hitherto unheard of scale...even counting Dubya.

 

You have my best wishes Harleyman...if the Republicans do get in you'll need all the help you can get IMO.

Blessings.

[Kingmaker2]

That's a statement that is open to debate. The Republicans have already started pointing out a several untruths Biden made in his answers. However I've not seen the debate so maybe Palin was even worse.

 

Looks like Palin spoke several untruths too:

 

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/824957.html

[Harleyman]

It's just as i feared then... am receiving you loud and clear...and...gullibility on an hitherto unheard of scale...even counting Dubya.

 

You have my best wishes Harleyman...if the Republicans do get in you'll need all the help you can get IMO.

Blessings.

 

There's no guillibilty. I am merely observing trends taking place during the process of an election campaign just the same as if I were observing changes in the weather. You dont seem to get it.

 

I"ve seen a few presidents during my time in the States. Whether McCain or Obama wins wont make much difference to my life style so I wont fret over it.

[Alien]

You are not paying attention Swami or not getting gist of my words. What I am saying is that Palin has come back from being written off as a complete loser to someone who has earned a modicum of credibility. That is a fact without me expressing this as a McCain supporter which I am not in the upcoming election. One has to see the facts from a general standpoint.

 

If she continues to earn some degree of credibilty over the next few weeks amongst voters who at this time have reservations about her fitness to take over the presidency this election like the last two will be an extremely close one.

 

Personally I would feel more comfortable spending a day at Santa Anita betting on the horsies than I would making a bet on the outcome of the election

 

And I'd be right alongside you. Politics in the US can change dramatically in the blink of an eye, or as fast as a horse takes to run it's course.

 

It seems Palin didn't gaff like she did in previous interviews. Then again if you don't have the knowledge your not going to make a political impact and impact was lacking...from both sides. I have to give her respect for just getting on the podium though...it must have been nerve racking just from a human perspective.

 

A suggestion: Does anyone think the republicans have lost the will or steam to really go for it? It's just that i'm getting a real feeling they just don't have it. To be honest who'd want it...the country is bankrupt. If the Republicans lose..they lose! If the democrats win...they lose big style, as they inherit the lot. Maybe the republicans have already decided to take time out?

 

I'm sure the Republicans could have put forward better candidates...or was it just a very clever move?

I would bet millions voted for Blair on the strength of his smile rather than his politics...same goes for Palin..An all White American attractive girl with what some would see as cutely naive. The Americans are great people...but boy are they weird! Look who got in last time...

 

I agree Harleyman...if she's advised to play it cool and only open her mouth when advised......she, not him, could turn it around. Scary huh?

[Harleyman]

And I'd be right alongside you. Politics in the US can change dramatically in the blink of an eye, or as fast as a horse takes to run it's course.

 

It seems Palin didn't gaff like she did in previous interviews. Then again if you don't have the knowledge your not going to make a political impact and impact was lacking...from both sides. I have to give her respect for just getting on the podium though...it must have been nerve racking just from a human perspective.

 

A suggestion: Does anyone think the republicans have lost the will or steam to really go for it? It's just that i'm getting a real feeling they just don't have it. To be honest who'd want it...the country is bankrupt. If the Republicans lose..they lose! If the democrats win...they lose big style, as they inherit the lot. Maybe the republicans have already decided to take time out?

 

I'm sure the Republicans could have put forward better candidates...or was it just a very clever move?

I would bet millions voted for Blair on the strength of his smile rather than his politics...same goes for Palin..An all White American attractive girl with what some would see as cutely naive. The Americans are great people...but boy are they weird! Look who got in last time...

 

I agree Harleyman...if she's advised to play it cool and only open her mouth when advised......she, not him, could turn it around. Scary huh?

 

What impact could you expect them to make. They spoke of and debated the problems that currently concern people in this country. There was as usual a lot of playing the blame game on the main issues the economy, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the potential threat of Iran developing a nuclear bomb, energy issues, terrorism. I dont think anyone in the country expected or could expect any radical or startling solutions from them on any of these issues at this particular time

 

Palin had obviously been groomed for the debate which had been essential since she was up against a Washington politician who had been a senator when she was just a high school cheerleader but she held her own very well and I have to give her her due, She is certainly not dumb even though many like to say

she is. Also it would be a big mistake to assume that she is naive. I've got enough insight of people's characters to reckon that she could be a real hard ass when she has to be. Nice cute little smiles are just for show.

 

Why McCain picked her is obvious. It was to grab the votes of the disaffected female Hillary Clinton supporters who were disgusted that Obama had hijacked the nomination from the heiress apparent (Hillary Clinton) but that was a risky move by McCain and may backfire on him.

 

Mike Huckabee would have been the best choice for a running mate for a Republican candidate more cautious and less of a risk taker than McCain

 

I dont know what you mean by Americans being weird. I think it's a sign of the great progress made in this country that a black man and a woman are now candidates for the presidency and vice presidency

 

When will the UK have a non-white prime minister? Britain has like America been multicultural for many years. Are there any non-white MPs in England these days? There weren't when I lived there

 

I dont expect Euro-socialists will ever understand American politics so maybe I'm wasting my time posting this. I dont understand modern Euro politics either. There are people on this forum who despise Blair as being a phony socialist who headed a fake socialist government.

 

So what is real socialism in it's purest form? I remember some of the old socialist Joes back in the day but they seemed to me to be communists dressed in socialist skins. What is the difference between pure socialism and communism?

 

Fidel Castro claims to head a socialist society but look at the state of Cuba after 50 years under him. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela aspires to turn his country into a socialist paradise but in five years time he'll have impoverished it if he continues his current policies.

[Kingmaker2]

Palin had obviously been groomed for the debate which had been essential since she was up against a Washington politician who had been a senator when she was just a high school cheerleader but she held her own very well and I have to give her her due, She is certainly not dumb even though many like to say she is. Also it would be a big mistake to assume that she is naive. I've got enough insight of people's characters to reckon that she could be a real hard ass when she has to be. Nice cute little smiles are just for show.

 

 

Hmm, I beg to differ.

 

If you cut out all of Palin's repeated prepared words that she kept coming out with, in a less than subtle attempt to "connect" with average common Joe on main street, like "Hockey mom" "Joe Six Pack" and most of all "maverick", and you cut out all of Palin's repeated mentions of Alaska and Alaskan oil when it was nothing to do with the question posed,cut out all the other responses to questions she side stepped and didn't answer,...........well there's not a lot left!

 

Whilst Palin bettered her self imposed low expectation bar,......

Hold her own? I don't think so.

 

A CNN quick web poll on the current Larry King Live shows Biden beating Palin by a country mile:

 

Who won the debate?

Sen. Joe Biden 85% 9382

Gov. Sarah Palin 15% 1709

Total Votes: 11091

Oct 4 2008

 

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/03/your-turn-to-debate-the-debate/

[Kingmaker2]

Interesting various poll results on the Vice Presidential debate:

 

CBS Biden 46% Palin 21%

 

CNN: Biden 51% Palin 36%

 

FOX NEWS: Biden 61% Palin 39%

 

MSNBC: Biden 52% Palin 38%

 

AOL: Biden 48% to Palin 45%

 

MediaCurves: Biden 67% to Palin 33%.

 

Survey USA: Biden 51% Palin 32%

 

After the debate I did notice on FoxNews a running poll that gave Palin 87% to Biden 13% so I assume the Fox News poll in the list is a diffrent poll to the Fox TV phone in poll.

Can't really see even the most ardent Palin supporter arguing that Palin won in the polls!

[Kingmaker2]

which only goes to show that the choice of running mate, in 90% of cases, has no effect on the final outcome of the election. People will vote for a President on November 4, not a Prez and Veep.

 

The viewing figures for the vice presidential debate suggest more people are carefully scrutinising the Vice President much more than usual especially with McCain's choice of Palin.

 

"Thursday night's debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden attracted just shy of 70 million viewers - only one presidential or vice-presidential debate in history has recorded a larger audience."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_sherwell/blog/2008/10/04/sarah_palin_the_crowdpuller_draws_70_million_debate_audience

[LordChaverly]

Interesting various poll results on the Vice Presidential debate:

 

CBS Biden 46% Palin 21%

 

CNN: Biden 51% Palin 36%

 

FOX NEWS: Biden 61% Palin 39%

 

MSNBC: Biden 52% Palin 38%

 

AOL: Biden 48% to Palin 45%

 

MediaCurves: Biden 67% to Palin 33%.

 

Survey USA: Biden 51% Palin 32%

 

After the debate I did notice on FoxNews running poll that gave Palin 87% to Biden 13% so I assume the Fox News poll in the list is a diffrent poll to the Fox TV phone in poll.

Can't really see even the most ardent Palin supporter arguing that Palin won in the polls!

 

As on so many other things, the great Dr. Johnson is worthy of quoting here. He once said that the remarkable thing about a dog dancing on its hind legs is not that it does it well, but that it does it at all. Palin was very much the dancing dog last Thursday. The dog analogy is also apt, because she had obviously been trained to perform the equivalent of party tricks in the debate.

[Kingmaker2]

As on so many other things, the great Dr. Johnson is worthy of quoting here. He once said that the remarkable thing about a dog dancing on its hind legs is not that it does it well, but that it does it at all. Palin was very much the dancing dog last Thursday. The dog analogy is also apt, because she had obviously been trained to perform the equivalent of party tricks in the debate.

 

The dancing pitbull with lipstick!