Some good news at last - Obama is back in front

[Harleyman]

Oh really?

 

 

 

Do you want me to point out more support for the terrorist democratic party for you?

 

My earlier comments about Palin were only expressed from the point of view as an observer

[Salar]

My earlier comments about Palin were only expressed from the point of view as an observer

 

I don't call this the view of an "observer."

 

That is a fact without me expressing this as a McCain supporter which I am not in the upcoming election.

 

Not so long ago, Labour turned out in force in this Country to overturn a vote that the Conservative party here brought around to curb the freebies and expenses that MP's were pocketing. It seems to me that the socialists are no different over there and you support them through all your warped rhetoric.

[Kingmaker2]

Then if you want to call Israelis terrorists then both Palin and Obama are "pally" with terrorists, right? They both express support for Israel

 

Not really sure if you've understood my point at all!

 

This isn't about which candidate supports Israal, it's about which candidate is being even handed!

 

Palin thinks Obama is dangerous because of his association with Ayers, but thinks nothing of Isreal's association with Begin.

 

Again the emphasis is on Palin's shakey reasoning that Obama is guilty by association with Ayers, she isn't being even handed in her analysis, but then again that could be either because she hasn't got a very good analytical brain,or perhaps she is ignorant of the King David Hotel bombing.

[Wildcat]

Why should the US base it's standard for a presidential candidates's integrity on Israel's? They have their standards, the US I would hope have theirs also.

If the Israelis found it acceptable to elect an old terrorist as prime minister that's their affair.

 

That doesn't justify overlooking Obama's past connection with Ayers.

 

You might want to know also that a few months ago Obama gave a very rousing speech to a Jewish group pledging his strong support for Israel so both candidates are already in the Israeli camp

 

Obama's relationship with Ayer's is speclative to say the least. I don't understand why anyone gives it any credibility. McCain on the other hand is friends with one of the people that was convicted of perverting justice and the Constitution for his role in Watergate and even more worrying McCain in the 80s sat on the board of a far right organisation that funded death squads in South America.

 

Council of World Freedom matters:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/why-mccains-time-with-cou_n_132470.html

 

McCain's mate Liddy and his role in Watergate

 

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/steve_chapman/2008/10/mccain-has-his.html

[callippo]

if Israel wanted to elect Begin then that is their affair.

 

indeed it was. And Begin's election as Israeli PM after thirty years in the wilderness resulted, in a couple of years, with a comprehensive peace settlement with Egypt - a peace which still stands.

 

also, I think one or two people round here need reminding that the King David 'Hotel' was the British MILITARY headquarters, and the target was principally the files which it contained. Unlike any act of Arab terrorism, as the British finally admitted, a warning was issued, but not heeded, prior to the attack in an attempt to save lives (rather than kill as many as possible). The object of the bombing was the building and the files it contained, not even the soldiers present, never mind innocent civilians.

[Kingmaker2]

if Israel wanted to elect Begin then that is their affair.

 

 

also, I think one or two people round here need reminding that the King David 'Hotel' was the British MILITARY headquarters, and the target was principally the files which it contained. Unlike any act of Arab terrorism, as the British finally admitted, a warning was issued, but not heeded, prior to the attack in an attempt to save lives (rather than kill as many as possible). The object of the bombing was the building and the files it contained, not even the soldiers present, never mind innocent civilians.

 

Ahh so that makes it alright does it, a telephone warning!

 

The bombing killed mostly civilians and hotel staff and innocent passers by to the hotel.

 

There is no justifying killing innocent civilians whether you gave a telephone warning or not!

I could easily give you a telephone warning at your home or place of work, it doesn't mean that you would necessarily take it seriously!

[callippo]

There is no justifying killing innocent civilians

 

of course there's no justifying it, and the mainstream Jewish Agency that later became the first Israeli government (thirty years before Begin got a sniff of any political power in Israel following Likud's 1977 election) did of course condemn it, but it needs to be pointed out that a warning WAS issued. I've never heard of any single instance, ever, out of all the Arab bombings over the years, where they ever gave a single one.

 

Reporters from the Palestine Post got down to the scene with 10 minutes to spare before witnessing the blast. The British were just too arrogant or stupid to take it seriously and thought that their military headquarters was safe. It wasn't.

 

if you wanted to point to an example of a Zionist outrage that showed callous disregard for human life at that particular time in history, you'd be better off choosing another one, such as the first car bomb ever carried out in the Middle East, which was the work of Lehi (and quickly answered by an even more devastating Arab reply). Then, before the tit-for-tat bombings could escalate further, the checkpoints became frontlines and the War of Independence/Naqba began.

[Kingmaker2]

There is no justifying killing innocent civilians

 

I am glad we agree on that.

 

if you wanted to point to an example of a Zionist outrage that showed callous disregard for human life at that particular time in history, you'd be better off choosing another one, such as the first car bomb ever carried out in the Middle East, which was the work of Lehi (and quickly answered by an even more devastating Arab reply). Then, before the tit-for-tat bombings could escalate further, the checkpoints became frontlines and the War of Independence/Naqba began.

 

Not sure what you are disputing here.

 

Remember the original point I was making was Palin's comment Obama was "palling around with terrorists" was a ludicrous one!

 

Essentially Palin doesn't know what she is talking about, and I wouldn't be suprised if both Ayers and Begin are people the ill informed Palin had little or no previous knowledge of.

If she's going to start leveling accusations, then she at least needs to know what she's talking about, sadly we know that her knowledge of the world outside the state of Alaska is somewhat limited.

[callippo]

of course it is, but that's not why she's probably going to end up on the losing ticket. It's because her would-be boss has made a pig's ear of the campaign. Had she been the running mate to somebody that was any good, her parochialism wouldn't have mattered a jot and in fact it might have been turned into an advantage.

 

running mates hardly ever matter in Presidential elections and Palin and Biden are no exception to the rule.

[Wildcat]

Not sure what you are disputing here.

 

Remember the original point I was making was Palin's comment Obama was "palling around with terrorists" was a ludicrous one!

 

Essentially Palin doesn't know what she is talking about, and I wouldn't be suprised if both Ayers and Begin are people the ill informed Palin had little or no previous knowledge of.

If she's going to start leveling accusations, then she at least needs to know what she's talking about, sadly we know that her knowledge of the world outside the state of Alaska is somewhat limited.

 

One of McCain's sponsors was on the same Chicago education board that Barack Obama and William Ayers, were on. If it was ok for Leonore Annenberg to be on that board, then why shouldn't Obama.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-trumpets-endorsem_n_132954.html

 

It is mere association and feeble compared with McCain's history.