Some good news at last - Obama is back in front

[al beit]

Your socialist ideals are too expensive for the middle class and high earners to afford and the product of your policies are being felt now.

 

Socialism costs more than it is worth and I think we have all worked that one out. The working "class" man has been screwed under his own government as the rest of us have too. Wake up and smell the coffee. The wrong will be righted in time but not under Nu Labour.

 

Socialism and capitalism will never work hand in hand. Socialism is all about control and being a nanny state we live in today. It hasn't made us progress very far. A Conservative state is about making people responsible for themselves instead of depending on the state or "others" to provide for them, its about taking ownership of your own life and your future, the very thing that drives a person forward, instead of wanting or lacking and blaming everyone else around you for the fact you didn't study and make something of yourself.

 

Socialism dictates that the ones who do well in life have to pay to keep the ones who didn't do so well or couldn't be bothered to achieve. I see why you are so happy to sit in a mediocre job now and spit on the likes of me who did something with their life and keep the likes of you.[/QUOTE]

 

I think you'll find it does...in actual fact it is actually happening.

Who do you think is going to bail out the fat cats at Wall St?..... the government!! which in effect is the people.

 

Colourful words al beit...when those that do work hard and on a subsistence income bailout those that suck those at the bottom dry.

 

Capitalism and socialism can work alongside each other if your prepared to lower your boundaries.

 

Your socialist government are the ones who are bailing them out. Personally, I would have identified all the failing banks and shut them down and let the rest of them hoarding their money get back to business as usual. That is a capitalst view and a conservative one also. Your socialist government want to buy bad business.

 

What sense there is in that? I will never know.

[Alien]

 

Your socialist government are the ones who are bailing them out. Personally, I would have identified all the failing banks and shut them down and let the rest of them hoarding their money get back to business as usual. That is a capitalst view and a conservative one also. Your socialist government want to buy bad business.

 

What sense there is in that? I will never know.

 

What you on about? The US is not socialist...for that matter nor is the UK. The UK has a conservative government in power cloaked in pseudo socialist ideals.

[Harleyman]

The US melt down in the housing market which started the whole crisis was caused basically by greed and irresponsible lending practices all the way from Fannie Mae down to the commissiom hungry real estate sales people. Incomes failed to keep up with rising house prices and the scramble for houses in California was unbelievable when sales reached their peak. In my town For Sale signs were hardly up when a Sold sign was stuck onto it. I often wondered during those years where all that would end and it was obvious back then that the whole thing was going to blow sky high sooner or later.

 

When I bought my house years ago lenders required that the monthly mortgage payment not exceed 25 percent of the buyer's gross monthly income

 

That was no longer the case by the time the housing market collapsed. Home buyer's we're qualifying for mortgage loans based on half their monthly incomes and lenders were giving out loans that let them pay just the monthly mortgage interest rate only to start and deferring the payment on the monthly principal amount. Crazy situation

[al beit]

 

What you on about? The US is not socialist...for that matter nor is the UK. The UK has a conservative government in power cloaked in pseudo socialist ideals.

 

What am I on about? if you didn't get it first time round you won't get it again.

 

So Labour is not a socialist government? what pseudo socialist ideals are they portraying or indeed practicing?

[Wildcat]

 

What am I on about? if you didn't get it first time round you won't get it again.

 

So Labour is not a socialist government? what pseudo socialist ideals are they portraying or indeed practicing?

 

This is going way off track but simply a Socialist Govt would tax the rich not allow 7/8ths of the top 400 earners to avoid paying any tax.

[Harleyman]

 

What you on about? The US is not socialist...for that matter nor is the UK. The UK has a conservative government in power cloaked in pseudo socialist ideals.

 

The American Democrat party is labour friendly and more orientated towards the middle working class, leftward from the Republicans but it is a far cry from European socialism and in fact is not socialist by any stretch of the imagination Nationalisation for example is not and never was a policy advocated by the Democrats.

 

I might be incorrect in saying this but the Democrats are basically comparable to the British Liberal party I think.

[Alien]

 

What am I on about? if you didn't get it first time round you won't get it again.

 

So Labour is not a socialist government? what pseudo socialist ideals are they portraying or indeed practicing?

 

The UK government is practicing the exact ideals you stand for. Just because it says it's a socialist government doesn't (proof is in the pudding) mean it is. In effect what you are arguing against is something you should be arguing for. You already have (if your a yank) a government who is right of center. So do we. The only difference is our government (UK) professes to be for the people where in fact it's suckled corporate business.

[al beit]

 

The UK government is practicing the exact ideals you stand for. Just because it says it's a socialist government doesn't (proof is in the pudding) mean it is. In effect what you are arguing against is something you should be arguing for. You already have (if your a yank) a government who is right of center. So do we. The only difference is our government (UK) professes to be for the people where in fact it's suckled corporate business.

 

I'm a Welshman and more British than you. Its quite funny that you presume I am American. This government don't practice any ideals I stand for, quite the opposite. I would like to see a conservative government take over and bring some order to this land.

 

I don't stand up for one ideal of this socialist nanny state government, I believe in freedom and self accountability. Its funny how all you socialists decry your own creed when your government become a dying ember isn't it?

 

Talk about rats jumping from a sinking ship.

[StarSparkle]

 

What you on about? The US is not socialist...for that matter nor is the UK. The UK has a conservative government in power cloaked in pseudo socialist ideals.

 

There'e people been trying to tell him this all day, but he just won't listen to sense!

 

StarSparkle

[StarSparkle]

I'm a Welshman and more British than you. Its quite funny that you presume I am American. This government don't practice any ideals I stand for, quite the opposite. I would like to see a conservative government take over and bring some order to this land.

 

I don't stand up for one ideal of this socialist nanny state government, I believe in freedom and self accountability. Its funny how all you socialists decry your own creed when your government become a dying ember isn't it?

 

Talk about rats jumping from a sinking ship.

 

Utter rubbish.

 

People have been saying on this Forum for as long as I can remember that this government is no more Socialist than fly in the air.

 

Looks like you really need those remedial politics lessons I suggested for you earlier

 

StarSparkle