Has Hamas/Israel Started A Very Serious Conflict?

[Axe]

5 hours ago, SFBeca said:

the posts were  arguing and swearing hence the deletion the subsequent posts which actually were relevant then quoted the offending posts and had to be removed. 

Thank you for the explanation.

 

4 hours ago, mafya said:

Once again my posts with links that contained no swearing have been deleted.  The genocide is there for all to see on the news  so carry on deleting it doesn’t bother me it  just shows how the truth is being silenced to keep the fake narrative going.

Israel is not committing genocide because they are not deliberately killing innocent people unlike the Hamas terrorists  who deliberately murdered innocent women and children when they carried out the massacre at a peaceful music festival on 7th October 2023.

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, Axe said:

Thank you for the explanation.

 

Israel is not committing genocide because they are not deliberately killing innocent people unlike the Hamas terrorists  who deliberately murdered innocent women and children when they carried out the massacre at a peaceful music festival on 7th October 2023.

Genocide happens when a elected  Government turns its Army onto a unarmed group who have not attacked them , The situation usually leads to controlled extermination of the group as happened in Germany and in Armenia when the Turks and Ottomans marched the unarmed Armenians into the dessert and shot or starved them to death . This along with the genocide in Rwanda is a example of a Government and its Army killing a part of its people who have not attacked them and are un armed .

 

Israel was attacked its young people killed and raped at a music festival the so called Hamas Army who represent Palestine did the attacking in the name of whatever God they worship and with the full backing of the majority in Gaza ;

If they for one minute thought that Israel would sit back and take it they must be brain dead , They know from the  past  that Israel does not take prisoners , Its very survival  depends on a eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth ,

[Organgrinder]

46 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Genocide happens when a elected  Government turns its Army onto a unarmed group who have not attacked them , The situation usually leads to controlled extermination of the group as happened in Germany and in Armenia when the Turks and Ottomans marched the unarmed Armenians into the dessert and shot or starved them to death . This along with the genocide in Rwanda is a example of a Government and its Army killing a part of its people who have not attacked them and are un armed .

 

Israel was attacked its young people killed and raped at a music festival the so called Hamas Army who represent Palestine did the attacking in the name of whatever God they worship and with the full backing of the majority in Gaza ;

If they for one minute thought that Israel would sit back and take it they must be brain dead , They know from the  past  that Israel does not take prisoners , Its very survival  depends on a eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth ,

My Bold:  Where did you get the part in bold from ?  I have found no mention of it when I looked.

 

Genocide is exactly what Israel is doing to civilians and has been doing for more than 3 months.

There is no proviso that they must not have attacked them  -  only that unarmed civilians are being killed.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145742

 

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people^[a] in whole or in part.

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

 

Prohibited acts

The Genocide Convention establishes five prohibited acts that, when committed with the requisite intent, amount to genocide. Genocide is not just defined as wide scale massacre-style killings that are visible and well-documented. International law recognizes a broad range of forms of violence in which the crime of genocide can be enacted.^[

 

Edited January 31 by Organgrinder

[gaz678]

1 hour ago, cuttsie said:

Genocide happens when a elected  Government turns its Army onto a unarmed group who have not attacked them , The situation usually leads to controlled extermination of the group as happened in Germany and in Armenia when the Turks and Ottomans marched the unarmed Armenians into the dessert and shot or starved them to death . This along with the genocide in Rwanda is a example of a Government and its Army killing a part of its people who have not attacked them and are un armed .

 

Israel was attacked its young people killed and raped at a music festival the so called Hamas Army who represent Palestine did the attacking in the name of whatever God they worship and with the full backing of the majority in Gaza ;

If they for one minute thought that Israel would sit back and take it they must be brain dead , They know from the  past  that Israel does not take prisoners , Its very survival  depends on a eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth ,

Should be same here for wannna be gangsters and their knives

[RJRB]

@cuttsie

So you re -define genocide to suit your views.

 

Add to that your assumption that the terrorists had the full backing of all Palestinians.

Plus your failure to understand that the Israeli encroachment on Palestinian territory has gone on for years.

Plus the treatment and displacement of Palestinians from their homelands and subjugation of those who continued to live in Jerusalem.

I believe even more that Netanyahu was either negligent in his defence of Israel’s borders or complicit in allowing a situation that would allow his current destruction of  Gaza and its people

[Alextopman]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

@cuttsie

So you re -define genocide to suit your views.

 

Add to that your assumption that the terrorists had the full backing of all Palestinians.

Plus your failure to understand that the Israeli encroachment on Palestinian territory has gone on for years.

Plus the treatment and displacement of Palestinians from their homelands and subjugation of those who continued to live in Jerusalem.

I believe even more that Netanyahu was either negligent in his defence of Israel’s borders or complicit in allowing a situation that would allow his current destruction of  Gaza and its people

The use of concrete was supposed to be monitored but thousands and thousands of tons was used to build miles of underground tunnels, the excavated earth needed to be disposed of, hundreds of workers must have been involved.

Are you suggesting all this went on without the knowledge of the Palestinians?.

[Delbow]

For a long time, there has been a view that the reason Israel receives so much military aid, primarily from the US, has nothing to do with western governments believing in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and everything to do with keeping a check on Arab nationalism which threatens the flow of cheap oil from corrupt autocracies in the region.

 

The response of western governments to Netenyahu's extremist stance of 'we'll never allow any Palestinian state, we'll never stop killing Arabs, we'll never stop absorbing more and more Palestinian land into Israel' gives credence to this view. Clearly, patience with Israel's stance is running thin because far from keeping stability in the region, it risks a regional war and potentially a world war - while some in the military-industrial complex would welcome that, the consequences for oil prices and global trade and therefore ultimately profits is clear. So now we have David Cameron trying to whip the Israeli government into line by threatening to go ahead and recognise a Palestinian state. Another option on the table is to scale back military aid to Israel so that the state is only capable of genuine defence rather than ethnic genocide and land grabbing dressed as defence.

 

In the middle east, we have seen how quickly the US will drop its allies once they've served America's purposes: the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the Kurds in the fight against ISIS. Support for Israel from fickle western governments is not guaranteed, especially as the global economy weans itself off oil.

[RJRB]

57 minutes ago, Alextopman said:

The use of concrete was supposed to be monitored but thousands and thousands of tons was used to build miles of underground tunnels, the excavated earth needed to be disposed of, hundreds of workers must have been involved.

Are you suggesting all this went on without the knowledge of the Palestinians?.

I have no idea what point you are making.

These tunnels were not constructed overnight and some of the underground works were apparently the work of Israeli design and construction.

I don’t find underground defences and refuges at all surprising for a country under threat every bit as much as Israeli territory.

Are you saying that 2 million Palestinians were involved in the construction or had access to the tunnels.

What exactly has been found in these tunnels so far.

Your reference seems a bit off the wall to me.

[cuttsie]

8 minutes ago, Delbow said:

For a long time, there has been a view that the reason Israel receives so much military aid, primarily from the US, has nothing to do with western governments believing in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and everything to do with keeping a check on Arab nationalism which threatens the flow of cheap oil from corrupt autocracies in the region.

 

The response of western governments to Netenyahu's extremist stance of 'we'll never allow any Palestinian state, we'll never stop killing Arabs, we'll never stop absorbing more and more Palestinian land into Israel' gives credence to this view. Clearly, patience with Israel's stance is running thin because far from keeping stability in the region, it risks a regional war and potentially a world war - while some in the military-industrial complex would welcome that, the consequences for oil prices and global trade and therefore ultimately profits is clear. So now we have David Cameron trying to whip the Israeli government into line by threatening to go ahead and recognise a Palestinian state. Another option on the table is to scale back military aid to Israel so that the state is only capable of genuine defence rather than ethnic genocide and land grabbing dressed as defence.

 

In the middle east, we have seen how quickly the US will drop its allies once they've served America's purposes: the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the Kurds in the fight against ISIS. Support for Israel from fickle western governments is not guaranteed, especially as the global economy weans itself off oil.

Yes The Kurds have been betrayed by us and the US .

[Alextopman]

3 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I have no idea what point you are making.

These tunnels were not constructed overnight and some of the underground works were apparently the work of Israeli design and construction.

I don’t find underground defences and refuges at all surprising for a country under threat every bit as much as Israeli territory.

Are you saying that 2 million Palestinians were involved in the construction or had access to the tunnels.

What exactly has been found in these tunnels so far.

Your reference seems a bit off the wall to me.

Battles have been fought in those  tunnnels , they have been used to enter another country to slaughter and Kidnap people.

All construction was supposed to be approved and these tunnels were not, so how did they approve all the concrete and materials?.

Tunnel entrances under hospitals etc,

Attacking people at a concert and slaughtering them .

These so called underground defences were not legally constructed and clearly used for the opposite of defence