Has Hamas/Israel Started A Very Serious Conflict?

[Organgrinder]

53 minutes ago, Axe said:

I suggest if free speech is not allowed and contributions criticising  the behaviour of Muslim terrorists and the supporters of their actions are deleted the Sheffield  Discussion forum should cease to exist.

Free speech   IS ALLOWED IF IT'S TRUTHFUL

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Everybody is quite free to criticise the behaviour of  TERRORISTS   ( I will not narrow it down to MUSLIM  terrorists as you do  )  of whatever nationality and persuasion.

 

You can also criticise  supporters of these terrorists if you can prove your allegation by quoting any of their posts which shows that they support them or even  agree with them.

 

Edited January 30 by Organgrinder

[Organgrinder]

40 minutes ago, Axe said:

To me it seemed the terrorists sympathisers were being protected from being challenged. Not good for the integrity  of a discussion forum.

Again  -  What proof do you have that anyone on this forum is a terrorist sympathiser ?

You can quite easily quote any post which seems to uphold that allegation but you  never do that.  That leaves your allegation as fictional  and you talk of integrity ?.

 

Certain posters,  especially fans of Boris Johnson,  seem to have a very loose relationship with the truth.  This is the  cause of these troublesome episodes.

 

Edited January 30 by Organgrinder

[peak4]

46 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

I was being sarcastic 👍

The false threat of WMDs is what basically got us into the war in Iraq.

 

My bold.

I saw nothing wrong with your post I just didn't have the time to follow the links earlier. It's a shame because I was looking forward to sitting down with a glass of wine and having a read. 

What does bother me, isn't terrorists with nuclear weapons, it's terrorists with radioactive material to make dirty bombs.
There's lots of unaccounted for materials around following the breakup of the old Soviet Union.

The other links were mainly re  the daft comment of Nuke Em from a new forum member. (I wonder if they were really new, or rejoining)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-minister-nuking-gaza-is-an-option-population-should-go-to-ireland-or-deserts/

And even repeating it after the ICJ announcement
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-minister-eliyahu-even-in-the-hague-they-know-my-position/

I queried how he, and many like him, were elected in the first place, bearing in mind the elections were pre-Oct 2023
Read in conjunction with my earlier Haaretz opinion piece, and this one as an example

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s Minister of Chaos
"Ben-Gvir, who is forty-six, has been convicted on at least eight charges, including supporting a terrorist organization and incitement to racism, compiling a criminal record so long that, when he appeared before a judge, “we had to change the ink on the printer,” Dvir Kariv, a former official in the Shin Bet intelligence agency, told me. "

Is you struggle to get past a paywall, try inserting 

archive.is/

in between the

https://      and      www.

Edited January 30 by peak4

[peak4]

29 minutes ago, mafya said:

What I have found is when you post links to give others information that may help them understand things better they either don’t read them or they get them deleted somehow I order to  control the narrative.

I have read quite a few of your links that have been quite informative as I’m not no expert on the matter but any information to help build a better picture is most welcome.

Like you I'm no expert at all; I just try to view everything in the round to see as much of the picture as possible; my own political leanings are a bit left of centre, but I do try not to let that colour my perspective too much.
I've no truck with genuine antisemitism, anti Islam, or any other form of hate/discrimination, regardless of race, religion, sex etc.
We all have to learn to live together in peace, and respect each others differences, whilst still speaking out against injustices.

Certainly no-one in this country should be made to feel scared because of the actions of a foreign government in another state.
I would personally argue that there are a few pro Israeli commentators, here in the UK, who seek to make some UK Jewish folk scared as it suits their narrative.
There are of course other pro Palestinians, who have the same agenda, but for different reasons; both should be condemned.

Here's another interesting perspective I came across recently;

Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni on Anti-Semitism: Youtube video interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0TFxpp7pco
Excerpt, but do watch the whole thing ; I would suggest "we" in the quote refers to the state of Israel, in the same way that you or I might say "we" when referring to our fellow citizens of the UK.

Amy Goodman of DemocracyNow:
Often when there is dissent expressed in the United States against policies of the Israeli government, people here are called anti-Semitic, what is your response to that as an Israeli Jew?

Shulamit Aloni:
“Well it’s a trick we always use it, when in Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing well, then they are anti-Semitic.” 

 

[SFBeca]

8 hours ago, Axe said:

To me it seemed the terrorists sympathisers were being protected from being challenged. Not good for the integrity  of a discussion forum.

the posts were  arguing and swearing hence the deletion the subsequent posts which actually were relevant then quoted the offending posts and had to be removed. 

[mafya]

Once again my posts with links that contained no swearing have been deleted.  The genocide is there for all to see on the news  so carry on deleting it doesn’t bother me it  just shows how the truth is being silenced to keep the fake narrative going.

[Baz1]

Even Christians are not safe from these fanatical Zionists.

 

 

 

 

[Organgrinder]

12 hours ago, Axe said:

To me it seemed the terrorists sympathisers were being protected from being challenged. Not good for the integrity  of a discussion forum.

You have made this remark again, despite your previous posts being removed.

You are quite welcome to label me as such,  if you can quote  a post from me which  offers my sympathy or support to terrorists.

As I have not written such,  your comments are lies and you will not be allowed to publish lies without protest from me.

 

I detest terrorists whatever their name or race.   I detest war.   I detest the genocide now taking place in Palestine.

If the two sides are too murderous and stupid to stop the killing,  they should be forced into a supervised peace where they BOTH have to adhere to International Law..

This country,  together with the USA,  are prolonging the killing by not insisting on a stop to the killing so I condemn,  Sunak & Biden,  along with Hamas and Netanyahu.

 

These quotes, provided by peak4,  confirm my beliefs that posters such as Axe,  use this ready made method of trying to shut down discussion. 

Amy Goodman of DemocracyNow:
Often when there is dissent expressed in the United States against policies of the Israeli government, people here are called anti-Semitic, what is your response to that as an Israeli Jew?

Shulamit Aloni:
“Well it’s a trick we always use it, when in Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing well, then they are anti-Semitic.” 

 

Edited January 31 by Organgrinder

[Delbow]

11 hours ago, Axe said:

To me it seemed the terrorists sympathisers were being protected from being challenged. Not good for the integrity  of a discussion forum.

Accusing people of being terrorist sympathisers with no justification is what's not good for the integrity of a discussion forum, you snake.

[peak4]

1 hour ago, mafya said:

Once again my posts with links that contained no swearing have been deleted.  The genocide is there for all to see on the news  so carry on deleting it doesn’t bother me it  just shows how the truth is being silenced to keep the fake narrative going.

 

I'd suggest that mods aren't deliberately censoring your posts to cover anything up; similarly I had one vanish yesterday as it was caught up in bickering between others.
I've seen similar on several forums in the past, where one or more posters continue to make false allegations against another on an emotive subject, often because they have a problem with the legitimate views expressed, and won't engage in rational evidenced debate.

It's then used to supress discussion, as per the Shulamit Aloni I posted earlier, or used to entice someone into making an unguarded comment, which can them be quoted out of context in order to show them in a bad light.
Last time I was party to similar, several members (not on this forum), all claimed that one member was making provocative comments by falsely claiming he thought and said things which he hadn't.
I'm not suggesting mods here would, but in that instance they joined in, and eventually the "troublesome" member was either banned or left (In that case opposing Brexit and expressing socialist views was enough to have him targeted for false allegations on a different topic altogether).
 

In this case the false allegations are sometimes what would be a criminal act in the UK i.e. the support of a proscribed organisation.
Someone can then be provoked into an unguarded comment, which can  be further mis-represented, and even reported to the police.

It's also not helpful when people edit the quotes of another poster, the original gets deleted by mods as part of a legitimate cleanup, but the edited one remains and further shows the targeted member in a bad light

Forum mods do have a responsibility, and maybe even a legal one.