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Mr Tice seemed quite happy to share the misinformation to help stir up more ill sentiments Surely we should expect a higher standard of behaviour from our MPs This one wasn't much better

Russia's Lavrov welcomes Vance stance on Ukraine amid European concern Reuters, but also many other sources

That was also my reaction, but bear in mind that I think this description was the one released by a lawyer, not a medical professional. An existing cyst can also be damaged by a traumatic injury, leading to a different problem, such as internal bleeding; no idea of the case here of course. This particular lawyer does seem to be putting himself in the story too much for my liking. Read up on him yourselves; there's plenty of info out there. There are at least three separate groups involved, apart from the police; I think he may only represent one of them, but not sure about that. The group/individual who allegedly verbally racially abused the mother, and then assaulted her with a luggage trolley; the family of the mother and two(??) sons who feature in most of the video clips; and the third group who were bystanders filming, and again allegedly separately assaulted by the police. No-one has offered a public definitive explanation of how the policewoman received a nose injury. There's lots of noise on social media, much of it speculative or inaccurate, such as a photo of a woman with a nose injury, which predates these events. Again Nazir Afzal makes a fair comment

Indeed, his hands were along his sides; as this screenshot from the video clip shows, the officer even dropped his radio in running to kick the guy in the face. In the background is another chap, his brother?, who seems quite compliant during the alleged assault on the bloke face down. It looks to me as though he is also potentially assaulted as he is kneeling down as demanded. The actual clip is on the right here; note the second incident at the back. https://x.com/KickZeus/status/1816127017303380047/video/2 Racism played part in police kick incident at Manchester airport, says former senior officer Former Met chief superintendent Dal Babu says footage of man being kicked in face by officer is ‘totally appalling’

They may well wear bodycams, but the area was also probably well covered with CCTV; I wouldn't expect any of the security/body-cam footage to be released until after any court case completion. It would appear that some of those filming were also arrested, though released without charge. I think that's what the video clip of someone with a phone being sprayed in the face may be showing. Don't read too much into the "released without charge" bit, as charges may still follow pending reviews of videos. Screenshot from a GB News TV presenter's account, so it may well be that many folk, police included, have been jumping to the wrong conclusions.

I think so, though I never visited. The original Pollards I remember from when I lived just off West St (late '70's early 80's) was a tiny corner shop, which later became an Indian Restaurant in enlarged premises, run by Nirmal who used to have a corner shop on Mulehouse Rd. She expanded from evening cookery lessons into running her own restaurant, which was successful for many years. At that time, there was a second larger Pollards shop on Charles St in town. At some point, both the West St & Charles St shops closed, the former being re-located to a museum on Eccleshall Rd. The Charles St shop re-opened in larger premises opposite and incorporated a cafe to the rear; not sure when the other cafe near the cathedral opened and closed. Charles St shop/cafe closed, but the business remained as a wholesale/trade supplier & coffee roaster from industrial premises. Some time later, the shop near Hunters bar opened to supply the public again; I think a small cafe opened and closed very close to Hunters bar.

I mentioned Pollards earlier, but didn't provide a link. It's a bit of a pain parking, but easy walking from Hunters bar and on plenty of bus routes. It's a shame the museum down the road closed, which had their old West St shop as an internal feature https://pollardscoffee.co.uk/

No I'm not offended, folk should have realised that by my posting style by now; just trying to make people look at things a different way. Yes I know that terms such as this are intended as light hearted banter, and not necessarily a direct call to violence. Elsewhere on this forum and others, we regularly read comments like "Good" about someone being kicked in the head, or hoping that prison inmates are assaulted; yes again just banter from behind a keyboard. This thread is specifically about about violence against women, most of which occurs in the home. I'm questioning whether such banter is appropriate overall, as low level comments constantly circulating may create a level of acceptability of certain types of behaviours; be that domestic violence, misogyny, race or religious baiting sexism etc. I vividly recall a work colleague quite openly telling me how he'd assaulted his wife the previous evening, then blamed her, as though it was normal, and fully and genuinely expected me to agree with him. Not that long ago, "banter" against gays was common, but hopefully we've stared to move away from that; perhaps the time is due to condemn all violence. There is often an an immediate deflection away from violence against women on various threads, by claims of women being violent against men. It does seem a little odd to me, that very often those who joke about violence, are the first to bring up Jo Brand's satirical comment about acid in a comedy show.

Nazir Afzal was a bout right as far as I can tell. No-one here will have any idea of exactly what happened or the preceding incident(s). Fortunately, (if that's an appropriate word here), this was at an airport, so as well as all the mobile phone footage on the internet, there is likely to be high quality CCTV available for any inquiry. The combination of both types of recording will hopefully see anyone guilty of a crime prosecuted, whether they be police or public. Personally I'm not defending anyone assaulting the police; it seems likely that the ginger haired copper was the one with the alleged broken nose. I've already seen commentary, from folk who clearly weren't there, claiming she was useless and standing around watching; obviously not the case, but once again an opportunity for some to claim she wouldn't get involved because the suspects weren't white, whilst at the same time questioning the use of females in the police force. An earlier Facebook clip in this thread showed an officer with a Tazer identifying an individual, after which the footage went blurry. This would appear to be the incident viewed from a different phone video; I'm not defending the comments above the video myself. At first glance it seems to be a fast moving incident, with someone else in the background also being restrained, but it does looks a bit like an over reaction in the method of arrest of an individual who wasn't seeming to be an immediate threat; shouty certainly, but not immediately threatening. One of the folk apparently has a brother who is a serving police officer. None of us here know the facts, and I'd suggest it's unhelpful to to target anyone involved as being wholly in the wrong; I'm hoping it will all come out in the end, before it spreads to wider unrest against the police.

Probably my favourite tea shop, even better than Pollards; unfortunately it's in Praha and they don't export to the UK Google Translate version of the web site; https://www-cajovykramek-cz.translate.goog/zelene/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www.facebook.com/cajovykramek

A limited update on what sparked the furore; Roma children at centre of Leeds unrest returned to extended family Guardian Four children had been removed from house in Harehills to prevent them being taken abroad

I wonder how many contributors to this topic actually read the post to which Cressida was referring. To make it easier, here's a link avoiding the paywall. Violence against women soars by 40% as police chief brands crime rate a ‘national emergency’ As mentioned earlier, we also have the Andrew Tate and related issues to contend with; separately, try entering the term "leathering" into this forum's search engine and see how often promotion/normalisation of violence occurs.

It seems to relate to the legal status of her parent's nationality; one of the only three requirements to be a US president if to be a "Natural Born Citizen"; the others are be older than 35 and lived in the US for 14 years. It seems she is a US Natural Born Citizen, and her parents status is immaterial; I've no idea of their status myself. Much of it is explained here, and seems similar to the false accusations of Obabma not being eligible to stand. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-eligible-be-president-despite-misleading-posts-2023-10-18/

Try reading what's written. I didn't suggest that violence between fans was pre-planned; the matches are pre-planned, as is the police presence, so action can be taken if needed, as well as general traffic & crowd management before, during and after the event.

A pre-planned event, like a march or football match, will have a pre-organised police plan in place, which seems fair. How should one plan for an unexpected spontaneous event such as this disturbance? Yes there are pre-planned strategies in place for unexpected events, but they can't sensibly include the police going in mob handed when there aren't the officers available. Part of that plan will include retreating to a safe distance to contain the disturbance to as small an area as possible, and observe via helicopter( & now drones), CCTV etc. Arrests can be made later when individuals have been identified. No consolation when you live in the area(s) affected of course, which is one reason why the locals complained about a perceived lack of police response, and as Chris Hobbs pointed out, police communications to the public were poor. Officers were brought in from adjacent forces, but that takes time and leaves those areas short staffed. I can remember the riots in the '80's and later in 2001 (subsequently 200 jail sentences for the latter) Fortunately the disturbance in Harehills didn't spread to other areas. Surely the important thing now is to find the perpetrators, and prosecute if needed, as well as analysing what happened and why.

Hmmm, I don't follow the sport, but as far as I'm aware, football matches are planned and announced in advance. with appropriate policing also pre-organised. Unexpected spontaneous riots are, errr unexpected and spontaneous.

What is "her sort" ? Not that she's an MP, or just that she's Labour, as MPs of several parties have either failed to declare financial interests, or declared them too late; sometimes they are formally sanctioned/repremanded, other times not. To which distinguishing characteristic do you refer?

The letter in case anyone can't read the Twitter post, followed by a couple of subsequent posts Stephen Mackenzie #FireSafety4All @SteveMcfirerisk Spot on Chris all appear to forget the child protection element of this case & used as subsequent excuses to riot Not only the police but fire service who tried to attend were attacked & has to withdraw What the clips of withdrawing officers don’t show is officers pelted with bricks & bottles + threatened with weapons 12:16 PM · Jul 22, 2024 Accounts @obbsie follows or mentioned can reply Chris Hobbs @obbsie Sadly again I wasn't impressed with police comms. They were as brief as they possibly could be in their statements. Now, of course, their officers, collectively smeared as cowards, have had to deal with this dreadful RTC tragedy.

Letter in The Times explains it clearly enough;

There's a reasonable writeup of the evenings events here, only just spotted it after being shared by an ex-copper I follow on Twitter. ‘We’re All Getting Attacked’: How Disorder Broke Out in East Leeds ‘We need to have this community built back up.’ by Craig Gent 19 July 2024

Depending from which direction you are approaching, it might be easier to park just a bit farther out and hop on a bus. https://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/en-gb/landingpage/capped-fares Fares capped at £2 per trip, so £4/day is probably cheaper than parking, as well as missing the rush hour(s) stuck in a queue in a car. Hope you enjoy your tine in Sheffield.

Indeed, and what can "The Resident Lefties" possibly know about the details of an individual child protection case? Scot Free?? Some arrest have already been made, and the incident was widely filmed and shown on social media, as well as being videoed by the police, so expect more arrests to follow. Custodial sentences might be a problem at the moment though. The council however do seem to be reviewing the case, though they may well take the view that the actions take were correct and proportionate; Leeds council conducting 'urgent review' of 'family matter' that appeared to spark riots as home secretary condemns 'audacious criminality' Sky

Why do some people quote so selectively, without providing a direct link to the newspaper's report? In this case The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/19/how-unrest-in-leeds-escalated-and-was-defused-harehills Could it be that the rest of the article doesn't fit the narrative required? e.g. the previous and subsequent sentences to the one quoted above. "At about midnight, local residents began gathering water from nearby houses in buckets and wheelie bins to reduce the bus blaze to smouldering embers. The crowd briefly moved about 50 metres down the road and cheers could be heard as a young man, Mohammed, did backflips to entertain those gathered and defuse any remaining heat. People played music on their phones. As the flames subsided, Ali told the Guardian: “Harehills is like a rainbow of flavours. You’ve got every colour, every creed, we’re all in a melting pot together. And we get on with this. “We’re not the richest people on the planet. We are poor people. But we’re all in it together. They’re bringing water in wheelie bins to put a fire out on a burning bus. That’s community spirit, that’s Harehills.” Interview here with the councillor; before anyone starts on about Owen Jones, please concentrate on the interviewee, rather than the interviewer.

Absolutely, and forecast to be wet tomorrow, but that's local short term weather, not global long term climate.

That does look like a misunderstanding, onl;y you know whether it's deliberate or not; we have been able to measure fairly accurately, temperatures for a couple of hundred years, since the invention of the thermometer. Prior to that, current scientists need to estimate temperatures; i.e. a scientific estimate, not a number pulled out of a hat by someone with no direct training & research experience. Various methods can be used, coral growths, tree rings, microfossils, ice core samples etc. The latter are quite interesting as the contents can be analysed for the different ratios of carbon isotopes. Any cursory glance at the internet will yeild sites such as this https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidbressan/2017/07/12/scientists-compile-most-complete-climate-curve-of-the-last-2000-years/