Does Sheffield Need To Import Brickies Ect?

[hackey lad]

11 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

He may have said it before but,  the message is as true and as relevant as it was  last time.

We were going to train our own workers but,  when it comes to the push, government decides  it's easier to import them.

That's one of the reasons this country is going down the plug hole.

The British Empire showed the world how to do almost everything and now, the world has to come and show us.

 

Rubbish. The world doesn’t have to come and show us . 

[Organgrinder]

39 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Rubbish. The world doesn’t have to come and show us . 

Why do we not have the workers we need then ?

The rest of the world does.

[hackey lad]

12 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Why do we not have the workers we need then ?

The rest of the world does.

What are they showing us ?

[Man in Crete]

6 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Why do we not have the workers we need then ?

The rest of the world does.

Think you need to reconsider this statement 

in particular the EU is also widely suffering from shortages of skilled workers so much so that for example Denmark and Germany are changing their constitution to make it legal for non EU workers to move their. 

[ab6262]

trouble is the youth of today dont want manual work, we have tried many 16-18 yr olds start ting them labouring and will teach them as they go learning on the job, half of them dont come back after the first day saying its too hard work, too cold, too wet etc etc even had mums ringing in sick for them, the other half spend half the day trying to get on their phone so we take phone off them and the get all arsey , no good to us , god help people in 10 or 20 years trades if any left will be on 5k a week as there will be so few of them.

 

[cressida]

Would you say that attitude is partly responsible for the influx of cheap foreign immigration last century,  because it's possible that those who have done the jobs mentioned would move on after a few years which would still leave gaps in the trades industry?

[NicolaJayne]

9 hours ago, Anna B said:

Money.

 

It costs money to train people, and no one wants to pay for it.  The unemployed can't afford it, the building firms can't be bothered when they can get qualified people from abroad, and say they haven't time to deal with the paperwork etc, The government don't want to pay for it either, even though everyone would benefit from it. The 6 week courses that they do for a few youngsters barely scratch the surface in terms of training. Parents don't want to pay for it, they'd rather their kids went to University.

 

This has been going on for years, which is why we have such a dearth of skilled workers

Your assertions   ignore the apprenticeships levy  and the  way in which this has  changed the whole vocational training ( and vocational higher education )   sector  in the past  5  or  so years 

[Organgrinder]

1 hour ago, Man in Crete said:

Think you need to reconsider this statement 

in particular the EU is also widely suffering from shortages of skilled workers so much so that for example Denmark and Germany are changing their constitution to make it legal for non EU workers to move their. 

That's not something I'm aware of but I will stand corrected if that's true.

That doesn't alter the fact that the government is considering importing Labour from Europe and advertises jobs over there.

Why should we import foreign labour when we have people unemployed ?

  @ab6262   makes the point that the youth of today won't do it so they should get no unemployment benefit if the refuse to work.

I do know their are government training schemes which are laughable and are not proper training at all but just a source of cheap labour for employers..

We have taken advantage of cheap labour for so long that we have lost our skills so ,                      what can we do about it ?

 

3 minutes ago, NicolaJayne said:

Your assertions   ignore the apprenticeships levy  and the  way in which this has  changed the whole vocational training ( and vocational higher education )   sector  in the past  5  or  so years 

How has it changed the whole vocational training sector ?     We don't seem to see any changes at all.

In my view,  Anna's post on this subject, seems to have got nearer than any other.

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Organgrinder

[NicolaJayne]

40 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

trouble is the youth of today dont want manual work, we have tried many 16-18 yr olds start ting them labouring and will teach them as they go learning on the job, half of them dont come back after the first day saying its too hard work, too cold, too wet etc etc even had mums ringing in sick for them, the other half spend half the day trying to get on their phone so we take phone off them and the get all arsey , no good to us , god help people in 10 or 20 years trades if any left will be on 5k a week as there will be so few of them.

 

based on what you have written what i'm hearing here is that you are  abusive  towards  junior staff , enjoy playing 'billy big spuds'  and   think that   apprentices   are  there to  do  the stuff you  don't want to do  rather than to learn ...  and then you  wonder  why  people don't  put  up  with your bad behaviours

4 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

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How has it changed the whole vocational training sector ?     We don't seem to see any changes at all.

you  do realise that  employers who pay the apptrenticeship levy  can get it  back if they   take on apprentices  and deliver  proper, accredited training  to them ? 

employers too small to pay tthe Apprenticeship levy  can  access   govertnment funcing to cover 95 %  of training costs ?  

[Organgrinder]

8 minutes ago, NicolaJayne said:

you  do realise that  employers who pay the apptrenticeship levy  can get it  back if they   take on apprentices  and deliver  proper, accredited training  to them ? 
employers too small to pay tthe Apprenticeship levy  can  access   govertnment funcing to cover 95 %  of training costs ?  

That may well be so but,   that doesn't explain why we still have these shortages of skilled workers,   and we still have the need to recruit abroad.

If the system was working as it should,  we would not have these shortages so something is not working.