The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[tzijlstra 11]

Why is it people think only working class voted leave, you would find that the vote was classless. My bet is a sudden change of mind from Mrs May and a revision of the draft to be acceptable to the house.

 

Did you read what I quoted?

 

Where does the economy led by the US come from?

 

David Davis, who is now just a backbencher, somehow found himself in Washington to talk about a free trade deal. Analysts who have been involved with the (now dead, thank God) EU/US negotiations have stated with no uncertainty that the US will demand 'access to the Healthcare Market' and a reduction in food standards.

 

You might also remember that Mrs May refused to tackle some very thorny issues when Mr. Trump came to the UK. The Tory roadmap leads directly to a UK economy tied in closely with that of the US.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

If the eu perceive it will fail in the commons, do you believe they would revise, or just go for no deal?

 

The EU won't revise it.

 

There are already rumblings in Brussels that too many concessions have already been made. No deal isn't the only option. We don't yet know the implication of the deal failing in Parliament but what it will do is throw a hand grenade into the whole proceedings. When that happens, everything is then back on the table including remaining in the EU.

 

The EU has already said that no deal will inevitably hurt the EU but will hurt the UK a hell of a lot more.

[woodview 10]

Did you read what I quoted?

 

 

 

David Davis, who is now just a backbencher, somehow found himself in Washington to talk about a free trade deal. Analysts who have been involved with the (now dead, thank God) EU/US negotiations have stated with no uncertainty that the US will demand 'access to the Healthcare Market' and a reduction in food standards.

 

You might also remember that Mrs May refused to tackle some very thorny issues when Mr. Trump came to the UK. The Tory roadmap leads directly to a UK economy tied in closely with that of the US.

That could have also happened under ttip as part of the eu. Just vote for the party who won't sign such a deal at the next gm.

 

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The EU won't revise it.

 

There are already rumblings in Brussels that too many concessions have already been made. No deal isn't the only option. We don't yet know the implication of the deal failing in Parliament but what it will do is throw a hand grenade into the whole proceedings. When that happens, everything is then back on the table including remaining in the EU.

 

The EU has already said that no deal will inevitably hurt the EU but will hurt the UK a hell of a lot more.

My bet is that it gets a revision, and it goes through.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Just out of interest, how was 'working class' defined in those analyses?

 

I can't remember whether it was an IPSOS/Mori/YouGov poll, but I assume they all use the same standard sociological definitions of class.

[apelike 10]

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My bet is that it gets a revision, and it goes through.

 

Its either accepted "as is" or rejected as there cannot be any revision without the EU agreeing, which means more talks leading nowhere.

[woodview 10]

Its either accepted "as is" or rejected as there cannot be any revision without the EU agreeing, which means more talks leading nowhere.

I meant revised with the eu prior to a parliament vote.

[Lockdoctor 10]

Then you both agree that we will have left the EU?

 

So what are you complaining about? It is up to the government to decide the terms. They weren't specified in the referendum. As you both are always reminding us, it was a simple binary choice.

 

Leave means Leave! fulfilled.

Leave should mean leave. It was a binary choice on the ballot paper. It's interesting your stance has changed in the forum since the EU Draft Withdrawal Agreement has been made public. The reason your stance has changed is because you understand if the UK sign up to the deal on offer then the UK will not be really leaving the EU. The democratic people who voted to leave the UK and were on the winning side of the EU referendum result are the people who should be the most unhappy about the deal on offer which Mrs May claims is in the national interest, but doesn't respect the democratic EU referendum vote.

[tinfoilhat 11]

Leave should mean leave. It was a binary choice on the ballot paper. It's interesting your stance has changed in the forum since the EU Draft Withdrawal Agreement has been made public. The reason your stance has changed is because you understand if the UK sign up to the deal on offer then the UK will not be really leaving the EU. The democratic people who voted to leave the UK and were on the winning side of the EU referendum result are the people who should be the most unhappy about the deal on offer which Mrs May claims is in the national interest, but doesn't respect the democratic EU referendum vote.

 

She is respecting it, despite knowing it's daft. Bizarrely it addresses some of the things that leave voters wanted to address. There will be a transition period, that's actually quite sensible, albeit done in ham fisted way. The democratic result of the democratic people is being enacted but what she's not doing is throwing the entire population under a bus. If you don't like it, tough.

[apelike 10]

I meant revised with the eu prior to a parliament vote.

 

Oh I see, sorry for the mistake..

[woodview 10]

She is respecting it, despite knowing it's daft. Bizarrely it addresses some of the things that leave voters wanted to address. There will be a transition period, that's actually quite sensible, albeit done in ham fisted way. The democratic result of the democratic people is being enacted but what she's not doing is throwing the entire population under a bus. If you don't like it, tough.

But, it is Labour who are blocking its progression. Are they going to take a pragmatic approach, or stick with the ridiculous party political mentality that blights Parliament?

[RJRB 688]

Leave should mean leave. It was a binary choice on the ballot paper. It's interesting your stance has changed in the forum since the EU Draft Withdrawal Agreement has been made public. The reason your stance has changed is because you understand if the UK sign up to the deal on offer then the UK will not be really leaving the EU. The democratic people who voted to leave the UK and were on the winning side of the EU referendum result are the people who should be the most unhappy about the deal on offer which Mrs May claims is in the national interest, but doesn't respect the democratic EU referendum vote.

 

I finally totally agree with you.

It looks increasingly likely that May will push through something very similar to the Draft Agreement .

Nothing much can be changed by further negotiation with the EU 27 despite the pressure from Gove,Fox etc for some modifications .

Many Remainers accept that it is what it is and time for some certainty and stability for the sake of our economy.

The democratic vote has been fulfilled after a fashion and the biggest moaners will now be people such as yourself.

Unfortunately,unlike yourself,the likes of Farage ,Johnson and Fox recognise that a hard Brexit would damage our economy (and their careers).

You just don’t have a credible leader who could ,or would probably want to step forward as PM.

[tinfoilhat 11]

But, it is Labour who are blocking its progression. Are they going to take a pragmatic approach, or stick with the ridiculous party political mentality that blights Parliament?

 

Honestly, I'm not sure. Corbyn doesn't want a rerun, a people's or vote or anything - he wants a general election. A no deal would suit him nicely, country struggles, tories get turfed out and he rides in and saves the day on wave of socialism. That said there are enough pro- eu Labour MPs but they're not necessarily in pro-eu seats so I don't know which they'd vote. Rumours I've read suggests not many will.