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1 hour ago, Magilla said:

Of course, there's literally loads of examples of the same:

https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/

 

WTO  is the last resort, it's considered a "lifeboat".

 

Of course, lifeboats are used when the ship is sinking! :suspect:

 

'Basic questions unanswered' on Swiss trade deal:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46854002

 

The tariffs may be lower but the goods still have to flow quickly.

Exactly as is being proposed for a future relationship.

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18 minutes ago, woodview said:

The tariffs may be lower but the goods still have to flow quickly.

Which of course, as per my example, won't happen.

 

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Exactly as is being proposed for a future relationship.

No, it isn't. May's withdrawal agreement specifically rules out FoM for goods without the others in any future trade deal.

 

The UK agrees to respect the indivisibility of the four freedoms.

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10 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Which of course, as per my example, won't happen.

 

No, it isn't. May's withdrawal agreement specifically rules out FoM for goods without the others in any future trade deal.

 

The UK agrees to respect the indivisibility of the four freedoms.

Just explain how it works in the example of Kenyan flowers. They aren't in the EU, but have a trade deal.

Do they just sell dead, withered flowers? Or does it actually work in the inconvenient reality?

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

I can't help but wonder if the EU has a vested interest in making brexit as painful as possible for us; in that they want to set a precedent, make an example of us for other member states to consider - what might happen to them, should they follow our lead. 

 

If if that is the case; then perhaps we should be treating brexit with all the seriousness as if it were war, looking to maximise the pain we give back. Then go for a no deal brexit, and at a later date we can negotiate a new relationship from a stronger position (stronger, not meaning we are in a better position, but that the EU has far more to gain by giving us a fair and equitable deal).

stop talking sense :thumbsup:

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2 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Panicking over what “might” happen are we? Why is that?

He's not the only one.

 

Those two smug Brexiteers Toby Young and Iain Holm were asked on Politics Live this week, "Do you think Brexit will happen in March?" They both replied that they really didn't know. This is significant because they have both been saying over the past two years "We're leaving the EU in March, come what may!"

 

The writing is very much on the wall.

 

(Corbyn was rubbish on the subject again on Andrew Marr this morning)

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17 minutes ago, woodview said:

Just explain how it works in the example of Kenyan flowers. They aren't in the EU, but have a trade deal.

Trade deal covers tarrifs only.

 

There's no doubt that if Kenya were (location notwithstanding) a member of the EU they'd save a huge amount of money, time and effort.

 

17 minutes ago, woodview said:

Do they just sell dead, withered flowers?

No, they keep them in specific environments at great expense while customs and phytosanitary checks take place! They do not enjoy free movement.

 

The vast majority of these facilities are in Holland :?

 

Transport costs for those flower growers to fly directly to the UK, rather than by land from the Netherlands means their, and thus our, costs will rise for the same item.

 

17 minutes ago, woodview said:

Or does it actually work in the inconvenient reality?

It works because we're in the EU! Those flowers go to a central processing facility in the Netherlands before coming to the UK.

 

If Kenya has to distribute to the UK independently, customs checks and all, clearly it won't work as well.... especially given that under Mays or no-deal, there'll be a massive increase in other goods that need to be checked... getting those flowers to the UK might not work out so well going forward.

 

Of course, flower growing isn't utterly dependant on highly integrated JIT supply chains across multiple nations to produce the goods in the first place, or subject to rules of origin issues the UK will find itself in post-Brexit.  :?

 

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1 hour ago, ricgem2002 said:

stop talking sense :thumbsup:

Well, it's a proposition of what may be happening; and one possible response we could take.

 

What do people think, is it unreasonable to suppose that the EU has a vested interest in making an example of us, in order to dissuade other member states from following suit?

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As this is now completely unwieldy there is a new thread  here

 

 

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