What is equality to you?

[tinfoilhat 11]

This is my point too. It's not the same job really, it's the same job title but that's a different thing surely.

 

Do pizza hut pay a male in the UK the same as a female in Bangladesh? I doubt it. And in Pizza hut the job would be exactly the same.

 

Chinese editor and US editor could be wildly different for all we know. US editor could have twice as many staff under him or half the number of staff.

 

Agreed. Some high earners in the BBC might be thinking perhaps their roles are more important than they think. Now if Suzanne in the tech support is doing the same job as Stephen in tech support for less money - that's cut and dried. I think at higher levels, certainly in the murky world of media/entertainment it's harder to pin down.

 

We are only being given information to back her story. I've no idea what editors in Africa or South America get. I've no idea what the editors in America and China get paid at sky news.

[Cyclone 10]

This is my point too. It's not the same job really, it's the same job title but that's a different thing surely.

 

Do pizza hut pay a male in the UK the same as a female in Bangladesh? I doubt it. And in Pizza hut the job would be exactly the same.

 

Chinese editor and US editor could be wildly different for all we know. US editor could have twice as many staff under him or half the number of staff.

 

AFAIK equal pay legislation passed in the UK doesn't bind Pizza Hut India...

If however PH UK are hiring people to do the same job, then they need to be paying the same base pay (I think they can get away with regional variations though, some companies pay a london weighting on top of a grade related pay scale).

 

Presumably the Beeb could defend the accusation quite easily if the jobs were different by simply saying so.

China job means a budget of xyz, and 123 staff.

US job means a budget of xyz*10 and 1234 staff, plus covering Canada and Mexico.

For example, demonstrating that the jobs are different.

[Harrystottle 10]

I'm playing Devils Advocate here and don't honestly know but...

 

Is there more news about the USA than there is China. As such more air time about the USA hence a higher pay for the editor?

 

I know things aren't usually as black and white as that but is it about equality? or does the USA editor actually do more work?

 

Maybe, but this isn't difficult.

 

For most of my working life I worked in the public sector. Posts have grades. Posts are represented in a Departmental structure diagram. People know what grade a post is rated at, people know what the pay rate is for the post. It is open and transparent - something the BBC plainly has not been.

 

If the American editor does do more work / has more responsibility then the post gets a higher grade.

 

It's not rocket science; as I say public bodies in the UK have been doing this for years; I can hardly believe that the BBC hasn't been doing it also but obviously not.

[ECCOnoob 1,051]

Maybe, but this isn't difficult.

 

For most of my working life I worked in the public sector. Posts have grades. Posts are represented in a Departmental structure diagram. People know what grade a post is rated at, people know what the pay rate is for the post. It is open and transparent - something the BBC plainly has not been.

 

If the American editor does do more work / has more responsibility then the post gets a higher grade.

 

It's not rocket science; as I say public bodies in the UK have been doing this for years; I can hardly believe that the BBC hasn't been doing it also but obviously not.

 

They might well be for all we know. We are only getting one side of the story.

 

We dont know any details whatsoever of the job specs, responsibilities, pay structure, whether they are employed or freelance, years of experience, other responsibilities, other broadcast income.... the list is endless.

[zach 235]

Maybe, but this isn't difficult.

 

For most of my working life I worked in the public sector. Posts have grades. Posts are represented in a Departmental structure diagram. People know what grade a post is rated at, people know what the pay rate is for the post. It is open and transparent - something the BBC plainly has not been.

 

If the American editor does do more work / has more responsibility then the post gets a higher grade.

 

It's not rocket science; as I say public bodies in the UK have been doing this for years; I can hardly believe that the BBC hasn't been doing it also but obviously not.

 

I also worked in public sector with the same/similar wage structure.

 

This is great if it works. In my area which was I.T. I started on level 6 and after 10 years was still on level 6 due to me being the boss and no positions above unless I moved. My main concern was that the I.T infrastructure had grown by at least 75% with no offer of more cash or more importantly, more help. I was a Microsoft qualified (MCSE) tech/manager/tea boy. With the addition of Apple, Android, AV systems etc etc etc and no training or help despite many requests, it eventually popped my head! and due to illness and time off, they made me redundant. I know I digress from the topic but I see it as a valid example of how grading only works if it's managed properly for both men and women.

 

Some really good replies to my "Devils Advocate" A very interesting thread that I believe isn't only about Women earning less than Men. But also fat cats at the top keeping a firm boot on the head of others while protecting their own interests.

[willman 10]

Whilst in the vein of equality in the workplace - not just money. I refer to a visit to a major customer of mine who i visited at Christmas with the annual calendar.

Having a good rapport with the lady buyer i referred to our "topless" calendar - we've cut the tops of the trees and the the churches in the pictures.

She then told my how her female colleague had recently taken over the HR for a "mechanic/garage chain" - you know what's coming she has enforced the removal of all "tittillating" pictures and calendars of females in the garages/workshops and warehouses.

She has however not restricted the display of "men in uniform" "buff firemen" style calendars in her own female HR/secretarial department.

[Bonzo77 13]

Equality to me, is everyone in society having equal opportunities from the outset, regardless of background or class.

[Cyclone 10]

Whilst in the vein of equality in the workplace - not just money. I refer to a visit to a major customer of mine who i visited at Christmas with the annual calendar.

Having a good rapport with the lady buyer i referred to our "topless" calendar - we've cut the tops of the trees and the the churches in the pictures.

She then told my how her female colleague had recently taken over the HR for a "mechanic/garage chain" - you know what's coming she has enforced the removal of all "tittillating" pictures and calendars of females in the garages/workshops and warehouses.

She has however not restricted the display of "men in uniform" "buff firemen" style calendars in her own female HR/secretarial department.

 

I doubt that she can actually 'enforce' anything remotely at a bunch of garages either.

I wonder what the written regulations state though, no pornographic pictures to be hung anywhere, no unapproved pictures in areas customers might see them?

Which would allow firemen in the office, but not topless women in the garage.

[Albert smith 11]

I doubt that she can actually 'enforce' anything remotely at a bunch of garages either.

I wonder what the written regulations state though, no pornographic pictures to be hung anywhere, no unapproved pictures in areas customers might see them?

Which would allow firemen in the office, but not topless women in the garage.

Pornographic pictures hung in garages ?, I have often admired the ones from Pirelli or other suppliers showing Linda Lasardie in her trunks etc

 

,but pornographic ???? art photography it may be but just as the ones on page three of a certain down market news paper all the lasses have posed willingly and the pay was way more than any lad could expect for posing in his Speedos.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Albert smith

[AmberLeaf 10]

Everyone is equal, unless your evil, then your going to hell! I can't really see how the really rich people are better off. They all look the same, talk the sane, because mommy couldn't be bothered to look for a daddy any further than the front gate. And if the so called elite were to lose everything, they wouldn't have a clue how to cope. Either way, I'm not bothered , leave them to it, I'd rather mix with normal folk.

[Cyclone 10]

Pornographic pictures hung in garages ?, I have often admired the ones from Pirelli or other suppliers showing Linda Lasardie in her trunks etc

 

,but pornographic ???? art photography it may be but just as the ones on page three of a certain down market news paper all the lasses have posed willingly and the pay was way more than any lad could expect for posing in his Speedos.

 

Doesn't alter that it's pornographic and not suitable for the workplace does it, particularly where customers might see it.

[AmberLeaf 10]

Well I’m about to pull the rug on it.