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2 minutes ago, Tony said:

Of course Mel, the UK needs to be seen as trustworthy and it still is. Everyone who matters recognises politics when they see it.

 

This has done UK PLC no harm whatsoever outside the minds of a few people who have taken leave of their senses over Brexit. The only people wanging on about "trust" or "breaking International Law" are people who voted Remain (and not very many of them at that) or people who don't have a scooby what it means.

And the only people who think that what Mr Boshambles is doing won't come back and bite the UK are the Brexiteers with their rose tinted glasses on.

 

But they are as much right to their opinions as anyone...

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@Litotes the Remain In The EU side of the argument was lost in 2016.

 

If you're a smart chap - and you seem to be, if a little down in the dumps right now- you'll be putting your efforts into the UK to be on the winning side in negotiations for the future. 

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

@Litotes the Remain In The EU side of the argument was lost in 2016.

 

If you're a smart chap - and you seem to be, if a little down in the dumps right now- you'll be putting your efforts into the UK to be on the winning side in negotiations for the future. 

Or finalising my own exit strategy...

 

Which do you think?

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Just now, Litotes said:

Or finalising my own exit strategy...

 

Which do you think?

I think, why do you so much want the UK to be the losing team?

 

It seems a very strange attitude towards the place that has given you all you have.  You really are very down in the dumps about it Litotes, and after four years too. Perhaps you need to speak to people outside your immediate circle so you can form a more rounded view before you throw the baby out with the bathwater. You have a very privileged place in life, maybe you just need to find a way, or a person who will help you, to appreciate it a little bit more.

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9 minutes ago, Tony said:

@Litotes the Remain In The EU side of the argument was lost in 2016.

 

If you're a smart chap - and you seem to be, if a little down in the dumps right now- you'll be putting your efforts into the UK to be on the winning side in negotiations for the future. 

And how do we do this - start chanting "Come on you Boris"? "David Frost walks on water"?

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2 minutes ago, Tony said:

I think, why do you so much want the UK to be the losing team?

 

It seems a very strange attitude towards the place that has given you all you have.  You really are very down in the dumps about it Litotes, and after four years too. Perhaps you need to speak to people outside your immediate circle so you can form a more rounded view before you throw the baby out with the bathwater. You have a very privileged place in life, maybe you just need to find a way, or a person who will help you, to appreciate it a little bit more.

Please don't be so condescending.

 

The UK has chosen to be on the losing team by believing the lies that were told to it during the campaign.

It also wants to continue to support a lying, mysogenistic racist, sexist cheat - and you expect someone who wasn't blinded by the false promises he has made throughout his career to support him?

He is no form of fit person to lead this country, a leader should be a role model - he is anything but!

 

When something happens in which you have a firm belief is the wrong thing - what should you do?

Give in, or fight for what you believe in?

 

You might want to roll over and make the best of a bad deal - but I would rather not have the bad deal in the first place and will keep fighting for what I believe in - and part of that fight will be to continue to highlight why the chosen path is the wrong one.

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2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

And how do we do this - start chanting "Come on you Boris"? "David Frost walks on water"?

Well a good start is keeping quiet in public if you only have negative thoughts.  Maybe see a therapist*, or try to be open minded why other people have different opinions and might just be right... in fact they probably are right if you're feeling life-changingly miserable about the same thing.

 

 

* re' life in general, I'm not suggesting that Litotes needs a therapist.

3 minutes ago, Litotes said:

When something happens in which you have a firm belief is the wrong thing - what should you do?

Give in, or fight for what you believe in?

 

You might want to roll over and make the best of a bad deal - but I would rather not have the bad deal in the first place and will keep fighting for what I believe in - and part of that fight will be to continue to highlight why the chosen path is the wrong one.

It's not fighting, it's a Don Quixote impersonation. I'm doing Sancho Panza.

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2 minutes ago, Tony said:

Well a good start is keeping quiet in public if you only have negative thoughts.  Maybe see a therapist*, or try to be open minded why other people have different opinions and might just be right... in fact they probably are right if you're feeling life-changingly miserable about the same thing.

 

 

* re' life in general, I'm not suggesting that Litotes needs a therapist.

No dissent allowed then?

 

Start of a slippery slope............................

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Just now, Longcol said:

No dissent allowed then?

 

Start of a slippery slope............................

But a slippery slope we are already seeing with Mr Boshambles taking away the democratic part of government by ruling by decree.

5 minutes ago, Tony said:

Well a good start is keeping quiet in public if you only have negative thoughts.  Maybe see a therapist*, or try to be open minded why other people have different opinions and might just be right... in fact they probably are right if you're feeling life-changingly miserable about the same thing.

 

 

* re' life in general, I'm not suggesting that Litotes needs a therapist.

It's not fighting, it's a Don Quixote impersonation. I'm doing Sancho Panza.

Perhaps you should take some of the same medicine - have you considered you might be wrong?

 

And to paraphrase a saying, if you don't worry about the crisis facing the UK with Brexit, you probably don't understand it

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Just now, Longcol said:

No dissent allowed then?

 

Start of a slippery slope............................

Oh god, yes, please dissent!!! Let's make it positive and relevant though. Use dissent to improve, refine, question... because fighting imaginary fights from battles lost in 2016 is just so boring and achieves nothing but perpetuating misery. It's excruciating - like watching Basil Fawlty serving dinner to Germans. 

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3 minutes ago, Litotes said:

But a slippery slope we are already seeing with Mr Boshambles taking away the democratic part of government by ruling by decree.

Perhaps you should take some of the same medicine - have you considered you might be wrong?

 

And to paraphrase a saying, if you don't worry about the crisis facing the UK with Brexit, you probably don't understand it

Wrong about what exactly? Right there you seem to have made a huge bunch of assumptions about what I think about a whole bunch of things - at a guess that I'm a stupid / thick / racist / nationalist / uneducated / etc Brexiteer. Maybe you're just wrong. Maybe I understand much more than you and you've got a dose of Dunning Kruger?  You can't possibly say, but we do know that you're so down about it that you're talking about your "exit strategy" like a beaten wife planning her suicide.

 

I'm not being personal here - it's your assertion a few posts up and presumably you posted it to be discussed. 

 

That's not a rational way to discuss a geopolitical change though. Sure Brexit  will alter how universities are funded and that might mean your career path would be different in different circumstances, but none of us should be so freaked out by personal change to think that extends to an entire nation state in a world setting. Yea, a few things are going to be different. Some better, some worse. BUT, and I don't need to tell you this, difference is where innovation comes from. Somebody with your background should surely welcome the opportunity for innovation at the mere expense of ridding the UK of the dead hand of EU protectionism politics. 

 

Perhaps you have some specific example I don't know about that you might change my mind with. I'm always open to new ideas so feel free if you like. 

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I have made no assumptions, and you are far off with your guesses.

 

Maybe you do understand so much more than me - quite possibly.

I find it interesting that you consider an exit strategy as akin to suicide rather than a pragmatic approach.

 

What is not a rational way to discuss a geopolitical change? Please be more specific.

 

Brexit will change how the whole country is funded.

 

So what is going to be better? You seem dead sure that some things will be, I am intrigued by your absolute certainty.

 

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