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27 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

So go on then.  I've offered recently hard, factual statistics, (you may have missed the but in the article that states' updated July 2020'), what are you bringing to the factual argument here other than, baseless, hollow

comments that mean you really have nothing. 

 

Come on, provide factual evidence as to where the UK economy sits in the world?

Where we sit is always a lagging indicator, and while it is not hard evidence, you can see the trend to a reduction in the value of the service sector for and in the UK.

 

Employment in the service sector falls dramatically.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/cbi-employment-economy-services-sector-083114759.html

 

"around 94% of senior managers at London's largest finance firms - including banks, asset managers, insurance firms and fintech businesses  - said they still had work to do “to remain operational” in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to a poll conducted by consulting firm EY in July"

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/finances-ticking-time-bomb-firms-not-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-as-time-runs-out-on-trade-talks-20200824

 

We have seen several banks announce movement to Germany in the last couple of weeks, we have seen the share value of HSBC tank in the last few days meaning lay offs and reduction in tax revenue for the government.

 

"Banking giant JP Morgan is shifting £183billion out of the UK to Frankfurt as it braces for a No Deal Brexit."

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-8765335/JP-Morgan-183bn-UK-Frankfurt-No-Deal-Brexit-blow.html

 

It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that we are on a downward trajectory.

 

So my "baseless, hollow comments" are actaully based on fact and realism as opposed to the rose tinted view of the world that the Believers have of where they have left us and their children...

 

Maybe Bob Geldof will get us some aid soon, because god knows we will need it...

 

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On 24/09/2020 at 19:21, Car Boot said:

Completely out of touch with why most people voted to Leave the EU.

 

It was nothing to do with empire, colonialism or imperialism.

 

Everything to do with Brexit voters and Brexit voting areas being 'left behind' (not permitted to share in the economic benefits of a massive capitalist trading bloc) whilst within the EU.

 

If being a member of the European Economic trading bloc hadn't advanced their interests in 43 years of membership, it was never going to advance their interests. 

 

So why stay? Only one reason to vote Remain - keep the rich people rich and hope some of those riches trickle down to the poor. No chance. Better Off Out.

Obviously that's why Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the UKs richest person  voted to remain: keep the rich rich, and maybe some of those riches will trickle down to the poor.

Except he didn't vote to remain. He campaigned in the referendum to leave. And do you know what? Now that he's got his precious Brexit, the great patriot is upping and leaving for Monaco.  Just months after receiving a knighthood from the Queen.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/25/sir-jim-ratcliffe-uks-richest-person-moves-to-tax-free-monaco-brexit-ineos-domicile

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JP Morgan funded the Remain campaign 'Britain Stronger in Europe' stating in 2016 that it would quit the UK if we left the EU. A merchant bank that was partly responsible for the 2008 financial crash had attempted to subvert the democratic decision to leave the EU.

 

So a vampire squid money laundering and financial scandal hit bank slithers off to do its business in the EU. How appropriate.

 

Brexit is rightfully refocusing the UK economy away from such toxic capitalism. 

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11 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

JP Morgan funded the Remain campaign 'Britain Stronger in Europe' stating in 2016 that it would quit the UK if we left the EU. A merchant bank that was partly responsible for the 2008 financial crash had attempted to subvert the democratic decision to leave the EU.

 

So a vampire squid money laundering and financial scandal hit bank slithers off to do its business in the EU. How appropriate.

 

Brexit is rightfully refocusing the UK economy away from such toxic capitalism. 

Might be the name for a decent goth band.

 

So evidence as to how Brexit is "refocusing the UK economy" as all the links so far seem to show it's being "refocused" to Europe. "Refocusing the economy" sounds awfully like "shrinking the economy".

 

Have you noticed we have toxic capitalists (ie right wing Tories) in control?

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51 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

 

Brexit is rightfully refocusing the UK economy away from such toxic capitalism. 

Really? How? And replaced with what? Customs agents?

41 minutes ago, Longcol said:

 

Have you noticed we have toxic capitalists (ie right wing Tories) in control?

He’s got a bit of blind spot on that to be fair. He’ll ignore it, not on purpose it just won’t register what you’ve written.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

He’s got a bit of blind spot on that to be fair. He’ll ignore it, not on purpose it just won’t register what you’ve written.

Yeah but Jezza won the argument so really the Corbynistas are in control and the Johnson government is just an illusion 😎

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19 hours ago, Car Boot said:

 

Brexit is rightfully refocusing the UK economy away from such toxic capitalism. 

Really? I could have sworn we were desperately scrambling to do free trade deals that cut environmental, health and animal welfare protections whilst at the same time demanding British lorry drivers get a permit to enter Kent.

 

Whatever, I'm sure your mates Boris and Dom will be refocusing the UK economy to the benefit of everyone not just their pals and cronies.

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21 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Brexit is rightfully refocusing the UK economy away from such toxic capitalism. 

And as has been shown the toxic capitalists that supported brexit and now firmly on the 'leave' side - they are leaving in their droves.

Ploughing their money into where????

 

Oh, yes, Europe - can't be all that bad then eh?

 

Never mind - the Brexit deal will be the "easiest deal in human history" - famous last words of a now long forgotten believer.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think we need to leave with no deal with all the problems that causes (have been asking for 4 years for a benefit, still not got a decent one).

 

Only then will people see that we're better off inside the EU and we can rejoin as a proper member, rather than a black sheep that thinks itself something special.

 

And just to pee off the "We didn't fight two world wars, etc, etc...." and "Churchill would turn in his grave, etc, etc..." brigade, here's a clip of Churchill calling for a United States of Europe:

 

 

 

To be fair, as I try and stay balanced in my opinions - did he change his mind later in life?  I've not seen any evidence of it but if someone can provide a clip of it then I'd accept that.

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Britain's car industry risks losing out even if there is a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54345882

"The original Brexit deal negotiated by former PM Theresa May contained a route to minimise checks on what are known as "rules of origin".

That option was removed as part of the revision to the withdrawal agreement a year ago."

 

The Boris effect! :?

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12 hours ago, whiteowl said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think we need to leave with no deal with all the problems that causes (have been asking for 4 years for a benefit, still not got a decent one).

 

Only then will people see that we're better off inside the EU and we can rejoin as a proper member, rather than a black sheep that thinks itself something special.

 

And just to pee off the "We didn't fight two world wars, etc, etc...." and "Churchill would turn in his grave, etc, etc..." brigade, here's a clip of Churchill calling for a United States of Europe:

 

 

 

To be fair, as I try and stay balanced in my opinions - did he change his mind later in life?  I've not seen any evidence of it but if someone can provide a clip of it then I'd accept that.

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Common misunderstanding - Churchill was talking about the continental European nations, absolutely not the UK being a part of a US of E.

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

 

Common misunderstanding - Churchill was talking about the continental European nations, absolutely not the UK being a part of a US of E.

Nonsense!

 

Churchill promoted and supported a US of E in which Britain would play a decisive part. He argued that Britain (or France) should be a founder of this movement, stating that "Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family".

 

His only reservation was how Empire would fit, but in 1961 that was almost gone and he endorsed the governments efforts to join the EEC.

 

The EEC's founding principles were always about moving to a USofE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuman_Declaration), Churchill was fully aware of this.

 

Churchill also called for the creation of a European Army "under a unified command".

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