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4 hours ago, Magilla said:

Britain's car industry risks losing out even if there is a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU

There is no 'risk' about it: the EU27 have nixed ROOs on Japanese or Turkish automotive components into UK cars irrespective of any deal. 

 

That is what 'in any circumstances' mean, in:

 

The commission has made clear that it will not agree third-country cumulation in any circumstances, which we regret, but obviously cannot insist upon," says Lord Frost's letter

 

So it's a loss no matter what happens now.

 

So, after the truck queues and decimated automotive exports, which predicted consequence of Brexit is your government going to turn into a reality next?

 

I'm thinking medicinal or chemical shortages.

 

Now, if the UK should bin the NI Protocol- and GFA-breaching Internal Market Bill, that Parliament voted through last night, the EU27 might listen again. Better hurry.

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@Magilla Go and read his speech about the "United States Of Europe". I have and you obviously haven't because you are wrong and it is obvious to anyone who has read the speech. 

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34 minutes ago, Tony said:

@Magilla Go and read his speech about the "United States Of Europe". I have and you obviously haven't because you are wrong and it is obvious to anyone who has read the speech. 

Actually, I have, it was made in 1946.

 

Maybe you should read some later speeches, where my quotes originated :?

 

At first he did not envisage Britain being a "full" member of a USofE because of Empire (saying so in the commons in 1950), but by 1961 Churchill fully endorsed the governments efforts to joining the then EEC as it became clear Empire was going.

 

He fully understood that was merely a stepping stone towards the creation of a USofE.


Interestingly, when asked about "national sovereignty" after that speech, he said:

"The Conservative and Liberal Parties say, without hesitation, that we are prepared to consider, and if convinced to accept, the abrogation of national sovereignty, provided that we are satisfied with the conditions and the safeguards. The Conservative and Liberal Parties declare that national sovereignty is not inviolable, and that it may be resolutely diminished for the sake of all the men in all the lands finding their way home together."

 

By the 1960's, Churchill fully supported Britain's membership in a USofE.

 

Turns out, people change their minds depending on circumstance! :roll:

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What a load of tosh. I'm a bit embarrassed for you that you have to quote what Heath thought Churchill might have thought if he'd been alive in 1994 instead of what he actually said. You'd have saved the embarrassment if you'd  read the speech to the end, or actually understood it in the first place.

 

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I now sum up the propositions which are before you. Our constant aim must be to build and fortify the United Nations Organisation. Under and within that world concept we must re-create the European family in a regional structure called, it may be, the United States of Europe, and the first practical step will be to form a Council of Europe. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join a union we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and who can. The salvation of the common people of every race and every land from war and servitude must be established on solid foundations, and must be created by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than to submit to tyranny. In this urgent work France and Germany must take the lead together. Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America — and, I trust, Soviet Russia, for then indeed all would be well — must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live. Therefore I say to you “Let Europe arise!”

 

What is it about a certain sect of Remain fanatics that they invoke Churchill to their cause - is it because they see Churchill's words as a dog-whistle for their opponents? If only he'd said the half the things they claim when he was alive they might have the makings of a point, but he didn't and frankly he's been dead for nearly 60 years, just forget about him. Churchill has nothing to say on the subject of Brexit. 

 

Now go away and grow up. 

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2 minutes ago, Tony said:

Now go away and grow up. 

LOL, keep on digging... we haven't got to the "we choose the sea" thing yet ;)

 

Churchill wrote to his constituency Chairman in 1961: "I think that the Government are right to apply to join the European Economic Community"

 

A community that was specifically about becoming a USofE.

 

Why would he have done this?

 

Churchill clearly changed his mind, the direction of which was clear from his later speeches... the ones you couldn't be bothered to read ;)

 

59 minutes ago, L00b said:

There is no 'risk' about it: the EU27 have nixed ROOs on Japanese or Turkish automotive components into UK cars irrespective of any deal.

Indeed, why wouldn't they... so will the USA, China, Russia and just about everyone else too.

 

Leavers don't seem to have twigged that this is precisely what they voted for, judging by the comments on some other forums ;)

 

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Looks like Boris has blinked first on fishing rights, kicking the can down the road for another 3 years...

 

...needless to say, Mail readers are up in arms :?

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Posted (edited)

The EU has sent formal notice of it's intention to take legal action against the UK for violating the letter of the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

The process begins...

 

 

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5 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

More good news and opportunities.

Sounds like there will be plenty in UK science and innovation, after Gove just accused the EU of being anti-science and anti-innovation just now in the HoC :)...

 

...I mean, it's not as if the UK did not slam the Galileo and Erasmus doors with self-satisfying flourish a short while ago, to then spaff £400m's worth of taxpayer's science money on the wrong satellites ;)

 
 

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18 hours ago, L00b said:

Sounds like there will be plenty in UK science and innovation, after Gove just accused the EU of being anti-science and anti-innovation just now in the HoC :)...

 

...I mean, it's not as if the UK did not slam the Galileo and Erasmus doors with self-satisfying flourish a short while ago, to then spaff £400m's worth of taxpayer's science money on the wrong satellites ;)

Sadly I can't take credit for it, but the phrase "If you could educate a Brexiteer, there would be no Brexiteers" seem appropriate ;)

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Posted (edited)
On 01/10/2020 at 10:10, Magilla said:

The EU has sent formal notice of it's intention to take legal action against the UK for violating the letter of the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

The process begins...

 

 

This is purely a symbolic gesture. The European kangaroo Court of Justice will have absolutely NO jurisdiction over the UK in a few months.

 

To put this politically motivated gesture into perspective, in 2019 there were over 800 open infringement cases against EU Member States. Infringement procedure by the ECJ takes, on average, 35 months to complete. The three countries with the largest number of pending infringement proceedings are Spain, Italy and Germany. 

 

The EU has regularly broken its own treaties, the UK is simply following a precedent set by the EU.

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So because someone else did it  - that makes it ok for us to do it?

 

What a pathetic point of view.

 

What the UK is proposing to do is to break international law - not European law.

And actually - the UK broke international treaties many times before the EU did - so they are actually just following the lead of the UK...

As you so often point out - it is their law - but they can break it - they just move the goal posts in the same way the UK government is doing - so are we any better than they are???? Are they???

 

 

We need to gain respect from the international community, and what Mr Boshambles is doing will not get us that respect and so we won't get any good trade deal - just WTO ones - and so you, Mr CarBoot, and your negative beleaver cronies (for that is what they are) will doom the UK, and our sons and daughters, and their sons and daughters, to third world status, and penury dependent on hand outs from the rest of the world.

 

Your rose tinted glass view of the post-brexit world hasn't happened and from all evidence isn't going to happen. What happen then - will you say sorry?

 

Will you say "I was wrong" - we a\re already seeing the racist lying sexist cheat (aka Mr Boshambles) saying he misspoke (aka he was wrong), but will you?

 

Will you have the humility to do it?  I doubt it...

 

 

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