L00b Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, CaptainSwing said: Would you mind expanding on that, L00b? That's not a story that I have been following. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52701843 Quote The immigration bill repeals EU freedom of movement and introduces the new framework - though not exact details - for who can come to live in the UK. I'm confident that you are not one of the plentiful simpletons, who understand this Bill to apply to EU27 immigrants only, and that you can instead work out perfectly well what "repealing EU freedom of movement" means for British people as well No more studying in the EU27 No more retiring in sunnier parts of the EU27 No more moving to Berlin and enterprising No more moving to Amsterdam and creating a rock band No more season-working in the Alps and on the Med No more <...> unless you are very comfortably cash-positive (and let's all keep in mind where the economy is, and likely to be in the coming years, with a sprinkling of Brexity contraction on top from 2021). The deed is now done, so these are rights that you, your kids, your grandkids <etc.> have now lost. But the fabled 1% keeps theirs of course, courtesy of their wallets. 12 hours ago, Albert the Cat said: The Europeans will reciprocate. This will keep the underclass from travelling I suppose. Won't affect me or my family so not too bothered. Don’t mistake "freedom of travel" for "freedom of establishment". It won’t affect me either, but I’m not sure that, after trying facts and reason (‘Project Fear!’) and derision (‘elitists!’), alright-Jack-ism works any better on Brexiteers 😐 Edited May 19, 2020 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 It's happening, under cover of the Coronavirus pandemic: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/full-list-of-mps-who-voted-to-lower-our-food-standards-during-the-covid-pandemic/26/05/ "In a bid to make the UK market pliable for a post-Brexit US trade deal, protections of minimum food safety standards have evaporated, as have safeguards for Britain’s farmers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Magilla said: It's happening, under cover of the Coronavirus pandemic: (...) That, and a lot more beside, where the post-Brexit negotiations (with the EU27 and others) are concerned. But Covid mismanagement is proving such an expedient dead cat to bounce daily. So I don't bother much about this thread much, for now. Frost's letter (completely bypassed by this thread) was mildly amusing, likewise the UK's customs (un-)preparations, and lately Macron's bid for EU high-tech automotive crown at the expense of the UK, but hardly worth raising on here. There's more interest in witnessing the unending frog-slow-boiling in action for the past 4+ years, and awaiting the eventual and inevitable backlash against the Brexit architects (which, entirely non-coincidentally, are the *exact same* people now in government, including short-sighted Dom). Endlessly fascinating. Edited May 27, 2020 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Gee Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 The olive branch has been offered by EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier with a one or two year Brexit extension if needed. Considering the current dire economic circumstances surely it would be wise to accept it and buy some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron99 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mister Gee said: The olive branch has been offered by EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier with a one or two year Brexit extension if needed. Considering the current dire economic circumstances surely it would be wise to accept it and buy some time. Yes but only if we contribute more funds. This on the same day when the EU has had to stump up €750 billion, as part of a rescue plan, prime to plicate the southern EU states that we already in a financial mess, even before COVID-19. Thankfully, the PM has knocked the idea on the head. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1287696/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-michel-barnier-letter-ian-blackford-transition-extension/amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s Edited May 27, 2020 by Baron99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mister Gee said: The olive branch has been offered by EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier with a one or two year Brexit extension if needed. Considering the current dire economic circumstances surely it would be wise to accept it and buy some time. Frost has since confirmed (yesterday) that the UK will neither request an extension, nor agree to any extension offerred by the EU. That takes you back to square one. Since any extension would be fully contingent on a continuation of payments to the EU budget by the UK for its duration (no free cake, lads), i.e. political kryptonite for Johnson and chums, I'm minded to lend credence to Frost's "threat". The trajectory is still no deal, same as it ever was once the ultras managed to seize power in 2017. That €750bn EU stimulus package? It's by the EU27 (France & Germany, mostly) for the EU27. A UK contribution post-01 Jan 21 isn't costed in it: the UK hasn't been an EU member since 01 Feb 20, and can't be relied upon to sign on an extension-with-contribution. As for economics arguments... Remainers: Leaving the EU without a deal will kill our economy. Brexiters: crystal ball-polishers, Project Fear, sovereignty. Same Remainers: Lockdown prevents unnecessary deaths. Same Brexiters: Lockdown will kill our economy. Edited May 28, 2020 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, L00b said: Frost has since confirmed (yesterday) that the UK will neither request an extension, nor agree to any extension offerred by the EU. That takes you back to square one. Since any extension would be fully contingent on a continuation of payments to the EU budget by the UK for its duration (no free cake, lads), i.e. political kryptonite for Johnson and chums, I'm minded to lend credence to Frost's "threat". The trajectory is still no deal, same as it ever was once the ultras managed to seize power in 2017. That €750bn EU stimulus package? It's by the EU27 (France & Germany, mostly) for the EU27. A UK contribution post-01 Jan 21 isn't costed in it: the UK hasn't been an EU member since 01 Feb 20, and can't be relied upon to sign on an extension-with-contribution. As for economics arguments... Remainers: Leaving the EU without a deal will kill our economy. Brexiters: crystal ball-polishers, Project Fear, sovereignty. Same Remainers: Lockdown prevents unnecessary deaths. Same Brexiters: Lockdown will kill our economy. Looks like you'll have to pay for your own, "THE EUROPEAN UNION's staggering reliance on the UK was laid bare after new statistics revealed that, after Brexit, the bloc's economy would reduce as if 18 member states all left at the same time." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1286284/Eu-news-uk-exit-brexit-member-states-trade-GDP-eurozone-EU28-latest-spt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, retep said: Looks like you'll have to pay for your own, "THE EUROPEAN UNION's staggering reliance on the UK was laid bare after new statistics revealed that, after Brexit, the bloc's economy would reduce as if 18 member states all left at the same time." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1286284/Eu-news-uk-exit-brexit-member-states-trade-GDP-eurozone-EU28-latest-spt Did you even read the post you just quoted, in that frothy haste? Didn't I write that the EU27 was doing exactly that, paying for their own? As for 'staggering reliance', I'm happy to sit back and count the next 33 days down: we'll see then, who's "staggeringly" reliant on who. Tic-toc-tic-toc...heh, you know that sound well, by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52829348 Nissan closes it's Barcelona plant amid rumours Renault's will also be built in Sunderland. This isn't going in line with the anti-Brexit narrative is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron99 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, the_bloke said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52829348 Nissan closes it's Barcelona plant amid rumours Renault's will also be built in Sunderland. This isn't going in line with the anti-Brexit narrative is it? No really our concern anymore is it? No doubt the Spanish can rely on their EU partners to try & bail them out further? I can see the Northern Europeans, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium chomping at the bit to throw further money their way - not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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