Anna B   1,401 #397 Posted June 17, 2020 And here's me thinking that Boris had 'got Brexit done.' He won an election on the strength of that. And people believed him. . . . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #398 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Anna B said: And here's me thinking that Boris had 'got Brexit done.' He won an election on the strength of that. And people believed him. . . . . . As public enemy sang dont believe the hype  Edited June 18, 2020 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,401 #399 Posted June 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, melthebell said: As public enemy sang dont believe the hype  Oh I do so agree. But sadly too many people still do. It won the Tories the election. What does it take to wake people up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #400 Posted June 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Longcol said: The NZ deal at best increases GDP by 0.01%, the Australian by 0.02% and the USA by a whopping 0.16%. Note: that US 0.16% percent is contingent upon relaxing standards on meat imports and other agrifoods.  As previously announced loud & clear by the US, and so says the US trade representative again (in today's media at large, pick your source).  11 hours ago, Longcol said: And yet HMG are ******* about with the EU deal (or more than likely no deal) which is far larger than all the others put together. HMG actually asked the EU to draft the deal by July.  I suppose, based on form and precedent, so Johnson can sell it as his great victory over the EU.  So relax, you might end up with BrINO yet (...just don't tell the Leavers)  10 minutes ago, Anna B said: Oh I do so agree. But sadly too many people still do. It won the Tories the election. What does it take to wake people up? When did you wake up?  I haven't forgotten our Brexit- and Farage-related exchanges 4-or-so years ago, and on rare occasions since. Proof that there is hope yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,401 #401 Posted June 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, L00b said: Note: that US 0.16% percent is contingent upon relaxing standards on meat imports and other agrifoods.  As previously announced loud & clear by the US, and so says the US trade representative again (in today's media at large, pick your source).  HMG actually asked the EU to draft the deal by July.  I suppose, based on form and precedent, so Johnson can sell it as his great victory over the EU.  So relax, you might end up with BrINO yet (...just don't tell the Leavers)  When did you wake up?  I haven't forgotten our Brexit- and Farage-related exchanges 4-or-so years ago, and on rare occasions since. Proof that there is hope yet As you know, I'm a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn. I trust him, (a politician you can trust - now there's a novelty!) and think his proposals were the best way forward. Calm, considered, and reasonable, but would have taken a bit longer. But Boris promised to 'Get Brexit Done!' and didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #402 Posted June 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Anna B said: As you know, I'm a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn. I trust him, (a politician you can trust - now there's a novelty!) and think his proposals were the best way forward. Calm, considered, and reasonable, but would have taken a bit longer. Corbyn's proposals about Brexit were too mixed a set of signals, trying as he was to please both Labourite sides of the Brexit debate, and unsurprisingly ending up pleasing none. 11 minutes ago, Anna B said: But Boris promised to 'Get Brexit Done!' and didn't. Ah, but hang on, be fair here: Boris did, Brexit was done, on 31 January 2020.  The aftermath of Brexit wasn't done (save for the transition period ending 31 December 2020).  Now, did Johnson make any promises about that?   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #403 Posted June 18, 2020 OZ/NZ confirm they're looking for FoM in post Brexit deals: https://www.canzukinternational.com/2020/06/post-brexit-trade-deal-between-australia-uk-will-benefit-free-movement.html  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #404 Posted June 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Magilla said: OZ/NZ confirm they're looking for FoM in post Brexit deals: https://www.canzukinternational.com/2020/06/post-brexit-trade-deal-between-australia-uk-will-benefit-free-movement.html  Now that's a big change - not so long ago the Aussies stated they didn't want to be swamped with cheap unskilled labour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #405 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, L00b said: (...)  HMG actually asked the EU to draft the deal by July.  I suppose, based on form and precedent, so Johnson can sell it as his great victory over the EU.  So relax, you might end up with BrINO yet (...just don't tell the Leavers)  (...) Odds are looking up right now, as it happens. This just hot off the European Parliament democratic process:   572 MEP votes in favour of latest Brexit resolution (LPF a must, no Swiss-style salami-slicing agreements allowed) 34 MEP votes against 91 MEPs abstaining  Unfortunately, no guarantees about which, of a BrINO or a no deal, these odds favour: that remains solely for the UK to determine.  Because the one certainty is that this vote keeps Barnier's mandate, and manoeuvering room in the negotiations, on a razor edge-like straight and narrow. Edited June 18, 2020 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   597 #406 Posted June 18, 2020 Unfortunately for the UK Johnson is in favour of have all the cake you can eat and spaff it up against the wall deals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
butlers   259 #407 Posted June 21, 2020 Just seen that the Bank of England reckon there has been up to £800 million ,per week loss to the economy since the referendum. Goldman Sachs ,this week report its a mere £600million a week loss both agreeing a "no deal" deal will further hurt the economy  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   213 #408 Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, CaptainSwing said: With the levels of unemployment we're going to be seeing soon, there isn't a country in the world that will want to be encouraging immigration, skilled or unskilled (but especially unskilled). The UK population has been increasing due to immigration since 1985, also due to people living longer.  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/explore50yearsofinternationalmigrationtoandfromtheuk/2016-12-01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...