apelike   10 #3841 Posted March 10, 2019 13 hours ago, ads36 said: They really did.  'absolutely nobody is talking about leaving the single market'  Or words to that effect.  Daniel Hannan. But as that fullfact article also points out the single market and the customs union are two different things. You stated "The leave campaign assured us that we'd be staying in the customs union," which was wrong.  Quote from fullfact.org:  Conclusion "The customs union was rarely mentioned by Leave campaigners before the referendum."  It also states:   "Key figures from both the Remain and Leave campaigns said before the referendum that voting to leave meant leaving the single market. The customs union itself was rarely mentioned before the referendum, as far as we’ve seen." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ads36 Â Â 219 #3842 Posted March 10, 2019 In other words, before the referendum, and still, now, 3years later, there was, and isn't, a clear, single interpretation of what 'leave' means. Â It's easy promising all things to all men. Somewhat trickier when you're asked to deliver. Â If our exit from the EU has run into difficulties, then the blame lies squarely with those that promised anything and everything. Â It's not too hard to imagine that vagueness / ambiguity was part of the strategy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   221 #3843 Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, ads36 said: It's not too hard to imagine that vagueness/ambiguity was part of the strategy.  To be fair, our politicians try to be vague at every general election, even when they are pinned down to a policy they rarely act on it. Net immigration to below 100,000 was a promise made in 2010 !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #3844 Posted March 10, 2019 On 8 March 2019 at 17:20, apelike said: Just pointing out it's not only the UK that will have problems, but as usual you and others will leap at the chance to say its some form of justification from leavers.  Yep and personally I can't wait! Pointing out it's not only the UK that will have problems, to then argue that it's the EU's fault for "clamping down on the UK", is not "just" pointing out it's not only the UK that will have problems, and pretty much looks like an attempt at justifying Brexit, from where I'm looking at iansheff's post.  Perhaps you want to re-read it, and my own post in reply to it, to assure yourself of what I wrote, rather than what you think I wrote.  19 days to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot   10 #3845 Posted March 10, 2019 On 09/03/2019 at 08:55, Magilla said: Standard Brexiteer, I'm not at all surprised.  Prison is too good for 'em, anyone who lies to enrich themselves at the cost of the prosperity of their own nation should really be getting their necks stretched. Then you advocate that the entire capitalist establishment be hanged. You're a revolutionary Marxist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #3846 Posted March 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, Car Boot said: Then you advocate that the entire capitalist establishment be hanged. No, i don't  34 minutes ago, Car Boot said: You're a revolutionary Marxist! Aye, 'cos you would know eh comrade  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999   10 #3847 Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, L00b said: Pointing out it's not only the UK that will have problems, to then argue that it's the EU's fault for "clamping down on the UK", is not "just" pointing out it's not only the UK that will have problems, and pretty much looks like an attempt at justifying Brexit, from where I'm looking at iansheff's post.  Perhaps you want to re-read it, and my own post in reply to it, to assure yourself of what I wrote, rather than what you think I wrote.  19 days to go.  Cant wait. Hopefully its a No Deal exit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot   10 #3848 Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:  Cant wait. Hopefully its a No Deal exit. Let's do this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB   688 #3849 Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Car Boot said: Let's do this! Let’s not be silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes   63 #3850 Posted March 10, 2019 Let's let the democratic electorate have the final say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002   11 #3851 Posted March 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, Litotes said: Let's let the democratic electorate have the final say. they did and voted out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB   688 #3852 Posted March 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, ricgem2002 said: they did and voted out And perhaps this week will define what Leave means. Or perhaps not . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...