Second referendum time? SF Poll

[BrexitGuy 0]

21 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

'Swings to leave' based on what?

 

To win a second referendum the leave vote needs to increase from where it was in 2016 simply to match the increase in the remain vote. All the evidence shows that leave support is at best, slightly lower than where it was in 2016.

Based on my opinion, and the opinion of many others. Not everyone is remain you know, including some large British companies who know a bit about trade.  We can only flather around in puddles of news we see on the telly, and from that we make our little man decisions on what we think. 

So your "Based on what" remark is pointlessly out of touch with what's really happening, because none of us really know.  It's all speculation.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

5 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

So your "Based on what" remark is pointlessly out of touch with what's really happening, because none of us really know.  It's all speculation.

Personally I prefer informed speculation rather than wild guesses and wishful thinking.

[geared 321]

The boss of Wetherspoons certainly supports Brexit and a hard one at that.

 

He loves to talk about the economic advantages, but most of his ramblings are about free trade.

We won't have free trade on a hard Brexit, we'll default to WTO rules and place tariffs on everything.

 

 

[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Mr Allen said:

The original "leave" vote was all racists with a BIG axe to grind against immigrants, legal or otherwise IMO.

 

Much of it. Much of the UKIP vote, and all of the BNP/EDL vote, certainly. But not all of it. 

 

Yet, all of them guaranteed to be disappointed one way (Leave, with or without agreement) or the other (Remain), so just expect more of it, irrespective of the scapegoat flavour of the day.

 

You’re not fixing that “mass protest-voting” problem anytime soon I’m afraid. The solution begins with sorting out your politics and electoral system.

[woodview 10]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Much of it. Much of the UKIP vote, and all of the BNP/EDL vote, certainly. But not all of it. 

 

Yet, all of them guaranteed to be disappointed one way (Leave, with or without agreement) or the other (Remain), so just expect more of it, irrespective of the scapegoat flavour of the day.

 

You’re not fixing that “mass protest-voting” problem anytime soon I’m afraid. The solution begins with sorting out your politics and electoral system.

This is an interesting opinion piece on the 'yellow 'vests' by Kenan Malik in the Guardian, relevant also to the Brexit 'mass voting protest' you mention.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/09/fear-cultural-loss-fuelling-anger-with-elites-across-europe

 

Some posters on here could learn from the article too.

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

6 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Because although we see the shouty, outraged face of Brexit, many leave voters were just ordinary citizens who simply voted in line with their generally conservative world view. Many will look at the resulting mess and simply not bother voting in another referendum.

 

The point I was making was that even if every 2016 leave voter voted again it would still not be enough to win the vote. In over two and a half years I have not heard of one single person who has changed from remain to leave yet there has been a steady stream of leave voters moving to remain.

 

The maths just don't add up for leave.

And many Brexiteers will look at the debacle caused by the Remoaners and think, hang on a mo, we will not stand for the Establishment and the duplicitous Remoaners trying to thwart the will of the 52%. 

 

Angel1.

[BrexitGuy 0]

1 minute ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

And many Brexiteers will look at the debacle caused by the Remoaners and think, hang on a mo, we will not stand for the Establishment and the duplicitous Remoaners trying to thwart the will of the 52%. 

 

Angel1.

Agreed. Interesting watching Calendar this evening, where every single Facebook post mentioned was from the Leave supporters. Is that Calendar being biased or is the remain propaganda choo choo losing momentum 💩

[tinfoilhat 11]

10 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

And many Brexiteers will look at the debacle caused by the Remoaners and think, hang on a mo, we will not stand for the Establishment and the duplicitous Remoaners trying to thwart the will of the 52%. 

 

Angel1.

Are you a bit dim? The problem, and pretty much every problem you can think of in this country in the past 40 years has been because of poor decisions by the government of the time. Brexit is no exception- it's a joke, it's making our country look like a joke. None of that is due to remain voters!

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, woodview said:

Some posters on here could learn from the article too.

Populists exploit fear of immigrants, shifting the blame to them rather than addressing the real source of dissatisfaction.... hmmm, yeah, it has a familar ring to it.

14 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

And many Brexiteers will look at the debacle caused by the Remoaners

Remainers haven't caused any "debacle", the project is destroying itself under the weight of it's own stupidity.

11 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Agreed. Interesting watching Calendar this evening, where every single Facebook post mentioned was from the Leave supporters. Is that Calendar being biased or is the remain propaganda choo choo losing momentum 💩

LOL, nah, they're all the same person

[BrexitGuy 0]

3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Are you a bit dim? The problem, and pretty much every problem you can think of in this country in the past 40 years has been because of poor decisions by the government of the time. Brexit is no exception- it's a joke, it's making our country look like a joke. None of that is due to remain voters!

Although remain voters do add to the comical mix. 

In bucket fulls. 

2 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Populists exploit fear of immigrants, shifting the blame to them rather than addressing the real source of dissatisfaction.... hmmm, yeah, it has a familar ring to it.

Remainers haven't caused any "debacle", the project is destroying itself under the weight of it's own stupidity.

LOL, nah, they're all the same person

Possibly, but thats one hell of a collection of email addresses 😁😁

[Top Cats Hat 10]

20 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Agreed. Interesting watching Calendar this evening, where every single Facebook post mentioned was from the Leave supporters. 

That is hardly convincing evidence lol! 

[apelike 10]

10 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Sorry but it isn't.  Parliament is not legally constrained to continue with this course of action.  Hence, not legally binding.  

Yes it is until parliament changes the act as they just cant disregard an act once passed into law. The government has accepted parliaments act making the act legally binding on the government to implement and legally binding under the terms of A50 now its been enacted. The reason why the brexit date of 29th March is important. Its like a contract between the representatives of the people (parliament) and the government. The only way it can change is if that act is amended or repealed by parliament. Once passed into law it therefor cannot just be ignored by parliament or this government "if they wish" as you put it. Notice that the brexit deal cannot be legally implemented and is not legally binding until parliament votes on it and approves it, which in all likelihood they wont as it stands. If it was not legally binding then there would be no need to ask the EU to repeal A50 if parliament suddenly decided to cancel brexit.

Edited December 11, 2018 by apelike