Litotes 63 #997 Posted July 16, 2017 We had the second referendum last year. The first one was in 1975. The matter was cleared up last June, when we voted to leave the EU. If the EU is still going in about 30 years time and there is a desire for the UK to rejoin, then perhaps there will be justification for another referendum. So you want to deny people the democratic option to change their mind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andyofborg 11 #998 Posted July 16, 2017 We had the second referendum last year. The first one was in 1975. The matter was cleared up last June, when we voted to leave the EU. If the EU is still going in about 30 years time and there is a desire for the UK to rejoin, then perhaps there will be justification for another referendum. well then as we've had two referendums and it's one all we need a decider ---------- Post added 16-07-2017 at 12:20 ---------- Brexit is a political event at the highest levels of government. The direction of travel will be determined by the most influential players on the continent who are going to yield their influence and shape the outcome of Brexit. It would be trivial to think Merkel and Macron are going to sit on their hands whilst Barnier pursues an ideological agenda at the economic expense of their national economies. Clearly that's not going to happen. except it's quite clear from their words and those of the spokespersons of their industries that they view the integrity of the single market and the EU as more important. yes, they would like to do a good deal, we would like to do a good deal the problem is that they don't have to but we do. Opponent? Viewing Brexit through the prism of Fight Club will leave you scratching your head in confusion. We are in bed with the European Union and have been for decades. except many of the shouty types in both the conservative party and the daily mail type papers want it to be fight club. their desire to do harm to the EU, far outweighs their desire not to harm the uk mainly because they are too rich to be affected by any of that harm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #999 Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Do you honestly think the EU's future relationship with Britain boils down to the negotiated outcome of two aging dinosaurs locked away in a back room?No, I honestly think that whatever Davis and Barnier are haggling over will not matter much in the grand scheme of things, the future relationship between EU member states and Britain will be formed and decided by the politico-competitive play of main and lesser actors (large banks, large insurers, large airline companies, car manufacturers <etc, etc.>), with the financial ones ahead of most others. Speaking of which: Opponent? Viewing Brexit through the prism of Fight Club will leave you scratching your head in confusion. We are in bed with the European Union and have been for decades. Of course we understand them. We are working with them by ensuring the positions we take do not infringe on their ideologies, [ii] are mutually acceptable to our neighbours.<...> Somebody better tell Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, Barcelona <...>: they've all been rolling out the plushest red carpets you ever saw to the British financial industry, and are beginning to hoover financial services from London right now. LOL at the headlines and comments about it! In bed you say? I suppose the analogy, complete with talks of "divorce" settlement, is apt. After all, the UK's been kicked of the EU bed, and has been sleeping in a separate bedroom since June 2016. It won't be long before it's kicked out the door. Oh, by the look of things the EU is getting the house, the car and the dog. Plus alimony if the UK wants visiting rights (that'll be the annual £ contribution for improved access to the SM post-Brexit, for the hard of understanding ). Edited July 16, 2017 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga 10 #1000 Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/16/low-paid-should-receive-inflation-only-rises-say-business-leaders British business finally nails the myth put about by the Right that Brexit will lead to higher wages; Low-paid workers in the private sector should see their wages restricted to inflation-only rises, according to business leaders, who have said that without the real-terms freeze, they could be forced to make job cuts. The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) said the “national living wage” (NLW) should rise by a maximum of 2.7% in its response to the Low Pay Commission’s call for comments on minimum wage levels, which are due to be set in the autumn. In a move that will alarm unions, the BCC said it wanted the commission to agree a rise to help low-paid workers deal with the consequences of inflation, but “without pricing people out of jobs” Edited July 16, 2017 by chalga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 10 #1001 Posted July 16, 2017 Nah, all this is just more project fear. Just remoaners trying to scare the normal and decent people in this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andyofborg 11 #1002 Posted July 16, 2017 Nah, all this is just more project fear. Just remoaners trying to scare the normal and decent people in this country. if you are referring to the link in the post previous to yours then these people say pretty much the same thing every year. the real project fear starts tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
phil752 10 #1003 Posted July 16, 2017 Hahahahahaha.... Bwahahahahahahaha! Apologies, but that is a great joke. Britons understand the EU about as well as I understand electricity. you just made the best point why we should be out ---------- Post added 16-07-2017 at 23:26 ---------- So you want to deny people the democratic option to change their mind? How many time would you like us the change? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mafya 252 #1004 Posted July 16, 2017 Nah, all this is just more project fear. Just remoaners trying to scare the normal and decent people in this country. Remoaners are now referred to as Refuseniks= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/15/childishness-remain-refuseniks-cant-stop-brexit-might-damage/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Puggie 10 #1005 Posted July 17, 2017 Somebody better tell Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, Barcelona <...>: they've all been rolling out the plushest red carpets you ever saw to the British financial industry, and are beginning to hoover financial services from London right now. LOL at the headlines and comments about it! With or without Brexit European cities on the continent are constantly competing for business. The fact is London isn't just Europe's #1 financial centre, it's the world's #1 financial centre. There are more people employed in our financial services than the entire population of Frankfurt! Many of London's "pull" factors are completely unaffected by Brexit such as being at the heart of GMT giving it a timezone advantage and the fact that it's an English-speaking city. Bankers at the top of their game will have become accustomed to London's cosmopolitan lifestyle of rubbing shoulders with politicians, business moguls, and celebrities alike. None of this changes post-Brexit. So in a nutshell you recognise that the leaders of the negotiations are buffoons, and you're praying that we have some really good backroom negotiators who can bale them out? Put it this way, it's window dressing. Brexit isn't the 'prize' but simply the means to an end. Without an act of war the European Union (Germany) cannot stop Britain leapfrogging the continent and repositioning herself to become an Atlantic power with the help of the United States. There's a much broader geopolitical agenda that goes beyond Brexit. There's deep resentment for the way Merkel has hijacked the union to advance Germany's agenda. Germany might have the EU wrapped around its little finger however it cannot deliver security for the continent like Britain can and we've been reminding them of this. It wasn't an accident that security was put on the table in TM's A50 letter. The message to Berlin..do not take Britain's role for granted. This is very much the message from Washington too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mafya 252 #1006 Posted July 17, 2017 The EU wants the power to impose huge fines on Britain for years after Brexit via the ECJ= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/16/eu-wants-power-impose-huge-fines-britain-years-brexit/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra 11 #1007 Posted July 17, 2017 you just made the best point why we should be out Fair point, I don't quite understand how my liver works, time to get rid. The EU wants the power to impose huge fines on Britain for years after Brexit via the ECJ= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/16/eu-wants-power-impose-huge-fines-britain-years-brexit/ Difficulty reading Mafya (and journalist, or jus selective reading?) that occurred at any time before the March 2019 withdrawal date, and to levy financial penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga 10 #1008 Posted July 17, 2017 With or without Brexit European cities on the continent are constantly competing for business. The fact is London isn't just Europe's #1 financial centre, it's the world's #1 financial centre. There are more people employed in our financial services than the entire population of Frankfurt! Many of London's "pull" factors are completely unaffected by Brexit such as being at the heart of GMT giving it a timezone advantage and the fact that it's an English-speaking city. Bankers at the top of their game will have become accustomed to London's cosmopolitan lifestyle of rubbing shoulders with politicians, business moguls, and celebrities alike. None of this changes post-Brexit. Put it this way, it's window dressing. Brexit isn't the 'prize' but simply the means to an end. Without an act of war the European Union (Germany) cannot stop Britain leapfrogging the continent and repositioning herself to become an Atlantic power with the help of the United States. There's a much broader geopolitical agenda that goes beyond Brexit. There's deep resentment for the way Merkel has hijacked the union to advance Germany's agenda. Germany might have the EU wrapped around its little finger however it cannot deliver security for the continent like Britain can and we've been reminding them of this. It wasn't an accident that security was put on the table in TM's A50 letter. The message to Berlin..do not take Britain's role for granted. This is very much the message from Washington too. Brexit was supposed to be the forgotten and voiceless making themselves heard and wanting an end to globalisation and a better life for themselves as a result,so now you are going to tell them that Brexit was just a means for the UK and Trump,hand in hand, to become an Atlantic power and thumb their noses at Germany,so the voiceless and forgotten are expected to be dancing in the streets at this news? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...