sheff1johnny   10 #1 Posted March 27, 2015 On BBC red dot, it states in leaked documents Tories are considering... Planning a regional welfare cap Taxing Disability Benefits Reducing eligibilty for carer's allowance.  Conservatives insist the proposals are not party policy... Yes okay, not totally convinced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002 Â Â 11 #2 Posted March 27, 2015 I wonder when they will catch up with starbucks/vodaphone etc:suspect: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
The Joker   10 #3 Posted March 27, 2015 I wonder when they will catch up with starbucks/vodaphone etc:suspect:  Nah, our political masters don't want to ruin their chances of "consulting" for one of these tax-dodging corporations once their careers are over, do they?  Far easier to squeeze the vulnerable targets, such as the unemployed and the disabled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sheff1johnny   10 #4 Posted March 27, 2015 Who knows, I can understand the logic punishing unemployed people, don't personally agree with it, but disabled people and carers think its going way too far. If people on benefits choose not to vote they make themselves easy targets for political parties though. Bet half of ministers have shares in vodafone, starbucks etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bigthumb   10 #5 Posted March 27, 2015 On BBC red dot, it states in leaked documents Tories are considering... Planning a regional welfare cap Taxing Disability Benefits Reducing eligibilty for carer's allowance. Conservatives insist the proposals are not party policy...  So what you are saying is you made up the thread title which may as well have read New Labour Welfare Cuts revealed.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3   10 #6 Posted March 27, 2015 Who knows, I can understand the logic punishing unemployed people, don't personally agree with it, but disabled people and carers think its going way too far. If people on benefits choose not to vote they make themselves easy targets for political parties though. Bet half of ministers have shares in vodafone, starbucks etc  Nothing I see about tackling the housing benefits bill or clawing back benefits from wealthy pensioners. Or dealing with low wages, issues with which are made worse by the explosion of zero hours contracts.  Housing benefits and pensions use up nearly 60% of welfare spending. Tax credits account for nearly 70% of HMRC spend.  Tax credits and housing benefits supplement wages, propping up businesses and private landlords.  Pensioners prop up the Tory vote.  All these things are no-go for the Tories. They prefer to punish people down on their luck, the sick, the disabled.  The Tories are an utterly despicable party. Absolutely heartless and inhuman scum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mecky   10 #7 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) So what you are saying is you made up the thread title which may as well have read New Labour Welfare Cuts revealed..  No http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32084722  ---------- Post added 27-03-2015 at 20:43 ----------  Nothing I see about tackling the housing benefits bill or clawing back benefits from wealthy pensioners. Or dealing with low wages, issues with which are made worse by the explosion of zero hours contracts. Housing benefits and pensions use up nearly 60% of welfare spending. Tax credits account for nearly 70% of HMRC spend.  Tax credits and housing benefits supplement wages, propping up businesses and private landlords.  Pensioners prop up the Tory vote.  All these things are no-go for the Tories. They prefer to punish people down on their luck, the sick, the disabled.  The Tories are an utterly despicable party. Absolutely heartless and inhuman scum.  Hasn't it been said that tax avoidance is running at 10x the cost of the welfare bill?  ---------- Post added 27-03-2015 at 20:43 ----------  Edited March 27, 2015 by Mecky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sheff1johnny   10 #8 Posted March 27, 2015 So what you are saying is you made up the thread title which may as well have read New Labour Welfare Cuts revealed..  No I wrote the story as it was near enough written. If I wanted to be unfair I wouldn't have mentioned Conservatives had said that it wasn't policy. Still as proposals they are worrying. I think there may be a good case in favour of limiting DLA to people who are lower paid, than letting millionaires claim it as well. Hope people know what I'm trying to say, it just doesn't scan properly when reading it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   223 #9 Posted March 27, 2015  Far easier to squeeze the vulnerable targets, such as the unemployed and the disabled.  Divide the poor and rich, English and Scots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
the_bloke   17 #10 Posted March 27, 2015 On BBC red dot, it states in leaked documents Tories are considering... Planning a regional welfare cap Taxing Disability Benefits Reducing eligibilty for carer's allowance.  Conservatives insist the proposals are not party policy... Yes okay, not totally convinced.  It's quite clear these are think tank style considerations; the Tories have ones about promoting capitalism in the same way Labour no doubt has think tanks dreaming up socialist ideas.  From the BBC, to further explain the issues you highlighted:  Regional Benefit Caps - The £23,000 limit would vary in different parts of the country, with for instance Londoners receiving the top amount due to the higher cost of living. Possible saving - not known and dependent on where levels were set  Disability benefits - Disability Living Allowance, Personal Independence Payments and Attendance Allowance (for over 65s who have personal care needs) would no longer be paid tax free. Possible saving - £1.5bn per annum (based on IFS Green Budget calculation )  Carer's Allowance - this could be restricted to those eligible for Universal Credit. Leaked documents suggest about 40% of claimants would lose out. DWP predicted saving - £1bn  Are regional benefit caps a bad idea? Should carers be paid regardless of their income? Tax is already paid on a whole host of benefits, so why should some be exempt and not others? - These are the sort of considerations being put forward. None are policy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
loraward   10 #11 Posted March 27, 2015 Nothing I see about tackling the housing benefits bill or clawing back benefits from wealthy pensioners. Or dealing with low wages, issues with which are made worse by the explosion of zero hours contracts. Housing benefits and pensions use up nearly 60% of welfare spending. Tax credits account for nearly 70% of HMRC spend.  Tax credits and housing benefits supplement wages, propping up businesses and private landlords.  Pensioners prop up the Tory vote.  All these things are no-go for the Tories. They prefer to punish people down on their luck, the sick, the disabled.  The Tories are an utterly despicable party. Absolutely heartless and inhuman scum.  Low wages and zero hours contracts are the consequence of an over supply of low skilled labour.  Abolishing tax credits will just make people poorer because employers have no need to pay more than they pay, cut the oversupply of available workers and wages will rise and tax credits will fall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sheff1johnny   10 #12 Posted March 27, 2015 Low wages and zero hours contracts are the consequence of an over supply of low skilled labour.  Abolishing tax credits will just make people poorer because employers have no need to pay more than they pay, cut the oversupply of available workers and wages will rise and tax credits will fall.  I think a lack of regulation hasn't helped. Companies that don't pay the minimum wage receive a paltry fine, hardly a disincentive is it? Even First is trying something similar. They only want to pay drivers when they are sat at the drivers wheel of the bus, and not pay them for travelling to pick up different buses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...