British Post Office Scandal

[altus]

4 minutes ago, Axe said:

Only the genuine victims deserve a sizeable payout.  Those jumping on the bandwagon deserve less  than nothing. 

Nobody is going to be able to make a claim if they weren't accused in the first place. The Post Office can't prove the accusations against them were genuine - they made the accusations knowing the computer system was faulty and not recording transactions properly.

[Organgrinder]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

Fair comment.  But the new ones coming forward are  doing so because they want to be given a large amount of money and are jumping on the bandwagon.   

 

As long as it's Fujitsu who pays,  who cares ?      At least we could say that everyone has got what they deserve.

 

48 minutes ago, Axe said:

Only the genuine victims deserve a sizeable payout.  Those jumping on the bandwagon deserve less  than nothing. 

Fortunately,  you won't get a say in it.

Edited January 8 by Organgrinder

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

As long as it's Fujitsu who pays,  who cares ?      At least we could say that everyone has got what they deserve.

 

Fortunately,  you won't get a say in it.

Why just Fujitsu?  

 

The biggest failures are at the door of the Post Office. It was them who brought the unsound prosecutions and convictions against the postmasters. It was them who ignored the concerns raised at the time. It was them for whom the claims were being brought against and whom judgment was entered against.

 

Look beyond the TV drama and sensationalist newspapers. Read some of the actual legal papers and judgements.  Like I said earlier, this is institutional failure across multiple parties.

 

Much as the mob mindset bloodthirsty public want it, in reality there is never some single point of blame to be wheeled out as a scapegoat in these situations.

Edited January 9 by ECCOnoob

[Organgrinder]

41 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Why just Fujitsu?  

 

The biggest failures are at the door of the Post Office. It was them who brought the unsound prosecutions and convictions against the postmasters. It was them who ignored the concerns raised at the time. It was them for whom the claims were being brought against and whom judgment was entered against.

 

Look beyond the TV drama and sensationalist newspapers. Read some of the actual legal papers and judgements.  Like I said earlier, this is institutional failure across multiple parties.

 

Much as the mob mindset bloodthirsty public want it, in reality there is never some single point of blame to be wheeled out as a scapegoat in these situations.

Because it was their computer & software system which kept  ( appearing to be )  losing the money.

Had all the figures been correct,  nobody would ever have been accused of theft, sacked, made homeless or been convicted of a criminal offence.

The post office would have operated as it has for many many years and none of this scandalous chaos would ever have happened at all.

 

When it did happen,  the faults on other parties came into play.  These being the post office itself,  the government minister at the time and those who followed and never got to grips with the problem.

None of this would have been brought into play at all if Fujitsu's Horizon had worked correctly and they had provided the service they were paid for.

They further compounded this by lying and committing perjury in court and the post office compounded their faults also by lying and telling each postmaster that they were the only ones.

A general cover up job then by all three parties,  Fujitsu,  the post office  and the government and only now do we start seeing real progress.

Had Fujitsu's Horizon worked correctly,  none of this nightmare would ever have happened so they should be responsible for every penny of the total cost. 

Had Fujitsu's program worked correctly there would have been   NO INSTITIONAL FAILURES ACROSS MULYIPLE PARTIES.

 

 

[Longcol]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

Why just Fujitsu?  

 

The biggest failures are at the door of the Post Office. It was them who brought the unsound prosecutions and convictions against the postmasters. It was them who ignored the concerns raised at the time. It was them for whom the claims were being brought against and whom judgment was entered against.

 

Look beyond the TV drama and sensationalist newspapers. Read some of the actual legal papers and judgements.  Like I said earlier, this is institutional failure across multiple parties.

 

Much as the mob mindset bloodthirsty public want it, in reality there is never some single point of blame to be wheeled out as a scapegoat in these situations.

True.

 

They also commissioned the software and must have failed to test it properly.

[Organgrinder]

7 hours ago, Longcol said:

True.

 

They also commissioned the software and must have failed to test it properly.

Not so.

If someone bought a tool or a vehicle which malfunctioned and killed members of the public,  who would be to blame.

The person or company who bought the tool in good faith    or     the company who made or supplied the tool claiming it was the correct tool for the job.

 

If I buy a gas boiler which explodes and kills a person,  it's not my fault for buying that boiler.    It's the fault of the either the company who supplied it or the company who fitted it.

You cannot expect someone who buys something which is claimed to be perfect for the job,  to be the one at fault if things go wrong.

 

[ianparkin]

Surely the judiciery should be slightly at blame

if a judge sitting hears one case and then another all the same story should he/she not raise concerns ?

[Axe]

11 hours ago, altus said:

Nobody is going to be able to make a claim if they weren't accused in the first place. The Post Office can't prove the accusations against them were genuine - they made the accusations knowing the computer system was faulty and not recording transactions properly.

My point is there will be some postmasters who are guilty.  Because of the scandal they could take advantage and get compensation they do not deserve.

[Anna B]

22 minutes ago, ianparkin said:

Surely the judiciery should be slightly at blame

if a judge sitting hears one case and then another all the same story should he/she not raise concerns ?

The 'justice' system is not about fairness or justice, it is about the law.

These are two very different things.

I was told this by a solicitor.

[altus]

3 minutes ago, Axe said:

My point is there will be some postmasters who are guilty.  Because of the scandal they could take advantage and get compensation they do not deserve.

If any are guilty, the Post Office will have evidence that didn't come from a known faulty computer system.