Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[RJRB 688]

7 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

It's funny you say that because when I first read Car Boot's bonkers, anti working class nationalist posts I assumed  that he was  either BNP or UKIP.

 

It is only when I clocked the Trotskyist sloganeering that I realised where he was coming from.

 

 

Unfortunately he fails to appreciate that he is being led by the right wing.

Your enemy’s enemy is your friend,for the time being.

[nikki-red 308]

Discuss the topic, not other posters please.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, Penistone999 said:

The only thing that is set in law is No Deal , the default position .  

Set in law maybe, but not necessarily lawful.

 

Leaving without a deal could be in contravention of a number of international laws and agreements which would leave us open to all manner of claims and lawsuits.

[ricgem2002 11]

5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Set in law maybe, but not necessarily lawful.

 

Leaving without a deal could be in contravention of a number of international laws and agreements which would leave us open to all manner of claims and lawsuits.

out of interest can you give us some examples ?

 

[apelike 10]

5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Set in law maybe, but not necessarily lawful.

No, it is lawful as it was passed by our lawmaking body called parliament and so far no one has challenged that lawfulness so it stands as being lawful no matter how hard that is for remainers to understand.

 

5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Leaving without a deal could be in contravention of a number of international laws and agreements which would leave us open to all manner of claims and lawsuits.

It could be.. but until that is tested in the courts then that still remains a could be. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

23 minutes ago, ricgem2002 said:

out of interest can you give us some examples ?

 

There's a link somewhere either on this thread or the previous one.

 

20 minutes ago, apelike said:

It could be.. but until that is tested in the courts then that still remains a could be. 

A 'could be' that could bankrupt us as a nation.

 

What leavers don't seem to understand is that we live in a very integrated world with all sorts of responsibilites many of which have been brokered through our membership of the EU. Thinking that a vote in our Parliament will absolve us of those responsibilities shows little understanding of how the world works.

 

Much as some people on here would like to, we can't just stick two fingers up to the rest of the world. Even North Korea can't exist in total isolation!

[hobinfoot 25]

Michel Barnier told journalists that even if MP's vote for a softer brexit they will still have to pass the withdrawal deal negotiated between the U.K. and EU. The only way to avoid this is a no deal or a second referendum. He also said that the EU  can only negotiate with the elected government.

Edited March 26, 2019 by hobinfoot

[apelike 10]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A 'could be' that could bankrupt us as a nation.

There you go with that could business again. I'm intrigued as to where you get that information from as if the EU brokered any of our responsibilities by us being a member then when we leave they are nullified. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

4 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

He also said that the EU  can only negotiate with the elected government.

That has always been the case however Barnier has more than once hinted heavily that cross party discussions may be the only way to get a deal that could be agreed by Parliament.

 

It was May's red lines which stopped any cross party discussions starting two years ago.

9 minutes ago, apelike said:

There you go with that could business again. I'm intrigued as to where you get that information from as if the EU brokered any of our responsibilities by us being a member then when we leave they are nullified. 

Here is a for instance. UK planes are certified to fly through EASA. the European Air Safety Authority. If we fall out of EASA without replacing it, air travel in UK registered aircraft becomes at best very difficult and at worst illegal. Any airline, passenger, holiday company or airport then has a strong case for damages against the UK government which wouldn't have a defence that they did not know that this would happen.

 

This is just one example of many.

[Car Boot 10]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

Unfortunately he fails to appreciate that he is being led by the right wing.

Your enemy’s enemy is your friend,for the time being.

The entire Remain movement, which includes the People's Vote campaign, heavily mobilises the middle-class. Working class numbers involved are small and shrinking. The leadership of the Remain campaign is fully under the control of the high establishment elite and is massively subsidised by the rich.

 

The Remain campaign political aims are exactly the same as the overwhelming majority of global capital, which is to Remain in the EU and keep its freedoms for big business. A secondary aim is to damage Jeremy Corbyn and ensure that he never becomes a Socialist Prime Minister.

 

It is correct to describe the Remain movement as being middle-class, both in its composition and character. 

 

I wonder how many ordinary people support the EU copyright directive passed today, which gives control of the Internet to corporate giants?

 

 

Edited March 26, 2019 by Car Boot

[ez8004 10]

8 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The entire Remain movement, which includes the People's Vote campaign, heavily mobilises the middle-class. Working class numbers involved are increasingly small and shrinking. The leadership of the Remain campaign is fully under the control of the high establishment elite and it is massively subsidised by the rich.

 

The Remain campaign political aims are exactly the same as the overwhelming majority of global capital, which is to Remain in the EU and keep its freedoms for big business. A secondary aim is to damage Jeremy Corbyn and ensure that he never becomes a Socialist Prime Minister.

 

It is correct to describe the Remain movement as being middle-class, both in its composition and character. 

 

I wonder how many ordinary people support the EU copyright directive passed today, which gives control of the Internet to corporate giants?

 

 

Hang on a minute.  The Barclay Brothers who own The Ritz and The Telegraph who are huge supporters of the likes of Boris Johnson and frequently publishes his rubbish in their paper do not count?  You could do with some enlightenment by looking in the mirror.

Edited March 26, 2019 by ez8004

[Dardandec 32]

23 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

I am a Brexiteer , and i want out and want to cut all ties with the muppets in Brussels , which Mays deal does not do . I want No Deal .

I'll admit when I went into the voting booth i'd forgot my prescription readers, but even then I'm pretty sure there was only a remain or leave option. I feel like i've missed out now.