Gender Fluid etc, Opinions?

[Dimple 10]

I know it is a difficult subject and I would always treat someone the way they wanted to be treated. By which I mean respect the sex they identified as.

 

But in my heart I don't think you can change gender or sex. Thinking you are a different sex, born in the wrong body, is a mental illness that needs treatment and not patronising.

 

That may seem harsh, but I don't write it with any malice, but it's what I think.

 

If you can change your sex or gender then where will it end?

Will you be able to change your species?

Oh, Wait......Someone already had that idea

[pattricia 580]

I know it is a difficult subject and I would always treat someone the way they wanted to be treated. By which I mean respect the sex they identified as.

 

But in my heart I don't think you can change gender or sex. Thinking you are a different sex, born in the wrong body, is a mental illness that needs treatment and not patronising.

 

That may seem harsh, but I don't write it with any malice, but it's what I think.

 

I used to think that until I saw the tv programme ( on tonight) about people who change gender. They really think carefully about it first, often for years, and the happiness on their faces afterwards is touching. I do wonder though, down the line, if they will regret it.

[Dimple 10]

I used to think that until I saw the tv programme ( on tonight) about people who change gender. They really think carefully about it first, often for years, and the happiness on their faces afterwards is touching. I do wonder though, down the line, if they will regret it.

 

Then of course there are the men in their 50's who suddenly decide they are a 6 year old girl, leave their wife and kids and start over with a new family.

[Anna B 1,417]

I know it is a difficult subject and I would always treat someone the way they wanted to be treated. By which I mean respect the sex they identified as.

 

But in my heart I don't think you can change gender or sex. Thinking you are a different sex, born in the wrong body, is a mental illness that needs treatment and not patronising.

 

That may seem harsh, but I don't write it with any malice, but it's what I think.

 

Well, people are known to have been born with the genitalia of both sexes, so nature can do unusual things. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine a woman being born in a 'male' body, or a man being born in a 'female' body.

 

As far as they are concerned they haven't changed sex, they have had their body surgically realigned to match what they know themselves to be.

 

Does that help?

[Naive 10]

I know it is a difficult subject and I would always treat someone the way they wanted to be treated. By which I mean respect the sex they identified as.

 

But in my heart I don't think you can change gender or sex. Thinking you are a different sex, born in the wrong body, is a mental illness that needs treatment and not patronising.

 

That may seem harsh, but I don't write it with any malice, but it's what I think.

 

Do you have any reasoning to back up your opinions?

 

A bit of science, perhaps.

[pattricia 580]

When I was nursing we had a patient on the men’s ward who was neither male nor female but I believe this was a fault before birth.

[Halibut 12]

Well, a great deal of evidence suggests you're wrong - and since you're a nice enough person to treat others how they wish to be treated, it doesn't really matter anyway.

[Stranza 10]

If someone is born with both sexes don't they decide at birth and treat with hormones accordingly?

 

I can relate and sympathise to a point but the transition of children and self identification push me over the edge.

[ENG601PM 10]

Gender isn't sex though. there are only two sexes, male, female. Anything else is abnormal.

 

The jury is out on whether gender dysphoria is a mental illness and I'm not sure that it matters either way, but common courtesy would suggest that somebody can be recognised personally in whatever way they see fit so long as it is decent and honest. You want to be Bill instead of Shirley? Fine, but don't get too upset if I refer to you as She by mistake, it wasn't meant to be disrespectful.

 

Whether there is any need to recognise any legal status beyond male and female is highly debatable but sadly we get the attention seeking activists like Jack Monroe who have shamefully weaponised pronouns for their own self aggrandizement.

[LowCostPoint 10]

Im sure the medical community and LBGT community will take your comments on board.

 

I appreciate that it matters not what I think... but I am still allowed to think it. I just don't think an operation changes gender. I think it removes male parts and you become a male without male parts. A vagina can't be created by a surgeon, if the surgeon tries, it is not a vagina, it is a hole.

 

Anyway, it takes more than surgery to create a woman. A woman experiences things that men don't. They are different. I'm sure many feminists would agree with me.... if they dare.

 

It's your opinion?

 

Do you accept you could be wrong?

 

Not on this I don't.

 

Hes old, of course not :hihi::hihi:

 

Well I'm not that old really. If that is you in the avatar I certainly look younger than you.

[medusa 16]

To my knowledge I know 3 people who have fully transitioned from one gender to another and who live perfectly happily, many years later, in their reassigned gender. Are they all, productive members of society that they are, mentally ill despite none of them having ongoing mental health problems once the surgery happened?

 

How about the person I know who was born intersex because of a genetic mistake meaning that they were born with only one sex chromosome?

 

How about the person I know who was born appearing one gender only because of a tumour before birth, with the tumour causing the wrong genitalia to appear for their genes?

 

None of the above mentioned people have an easily recognisable mental illness and all are functional members of society in all of the 'standard' measures (careers, families etc). I'm sure that they all sit at home and just delight in the waves of judgement that come in their direction from other people though.

[AmberLeaf 10]

 

 

 

Well I'm not that old really. If that is you in the avatar I certainly look younger than you.

 

Talk for yourself. Besides, with your username, I would've assumed you'd be giving out money saving tips! I'm quite happy being a woman. Even if I look like a stick. And I know for a fact that even tho I'm female, I've got bigger balls than a lot of men!