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[banjodeano]

Unless the Jewish press are secretly run by blairites it can't be hard to put this whole issue to bed to get them and the various different Jewish groups who have criticised corbyn on side again can it?

but that would be the tail wagging the dog? the Blairites pay lip service to their masters....as i said in a previous post that got deleted, why do we have a labour friends of Israel and not a labour friends of Germany or France? why do we have a Conservative friends of Israel and not Holland or Sweden? both our parties are invited over to Israel for all expenses paid trips, strange that eh?

why do we seem to have such strong ties with Israel? is it because they are pulling our strings?

a question for you, do you think labour omitting parts of the IHRA makes them antisemitic when they agree with 99% of it?

and as i have said on many occasions, just when the Tories are on the ropes and in dire straights, up pops another Blairite antisemitic row, its all too convenient and predictable, the Blairites in the party are just plants, they are not socialists, they would rather see a Tory government than a socialist Labour one

[melthebell]

Do the tories or lib dems have any issues with antisemetism or is it just labour? Not stirring I just don't know. Are the tories pro Israel or merely ambivalent because they don't have a big Jewish vote?

 

I can understand their concerns, Israel has, the best of my knowledge a democratically elected government - although why they voting in Netanyahu I'm not sure. They probably have a seige mentality and I think that purvades across Jewish people globally given their relatively recent history.

 

Now if I didn't know you(ish ) I wouldn't be sure how to take your post. You probably mean "them" to mean the Israeli government or the right wing media but it's not clear enough to some people that for "them" you mean Jewish people. In isolation, it's nowt but loyal rank and file batting away any and all critism of corbyns overall handling of antisemitism but keeping adding it up you can see how it snowballs?

For me, I may be completely wrong but I think it's down to which side of the political fence you're on, Tories don't really care about the palastinian cause and support Israel's actions fully? Whereas Labour have always questioned Israel's actions. Seems the Jewish pressure groups have got a louder voice this past 2, 3 years, not sure why

[banjodeano]

For me, I may be completely wrong but I think it's down to which side of the political fence you're on, Tories don't really care about the palastinian cause and support Israel's actions fully? Whereas Labour have always questioned Israel's actions. Seems the Jewish pressure groups have got a louder voice this past 2, 3 years, not sure why

 

Have you seen any videos on social media about what has been happening in Israel, i have seen some really disturbing clips of soldiers terrorising children and women, i never seem to see any of the stuff on the main stream media tho, its seems they dont want us to know about it, or at least not dwell on it, i see the IHRA as a tool to stop debate on the subject

[tinfoilhat]

Israel's actions are more often than not well over the top. It depends how high Labour want to prioritise it - Tories aren't giving a toss either way.

 

I'm not Jewish. But an awful lot of Jewish people aren't happy with Corbyns handling of accusations of anti-Semitism. If you are bothered about their votes you've got to do something. If you aren't, that's fine.

[banjodeano]

Israel's actions are more often than not well over the top. It depends how high Labour want to prioritise it - Tories aren't giving a toss either way.

 

I'm not Jewish. But an awful lot of Jewish people aren't happy with Corbyns handling of accusations of anti-Semitism. If you are bothered about their votes you've got to do something. If you aren't, that's fine.

 

says who? the media? dont fall into the trap by the media Tinfoil...they are giving you a false version of events...i am on many left labour Facebook pages, and hand on heart i can honestly say that i have never seen any antisemitic abuse, i have seen condemnation of Israel, but that is not hatred of the Jewish people or religion, they want to stifle all criticism of the way Israel is treating Palestinians..

Just out of interest, momentum who are supposed to be hard left (pfttttt)..was formed by Jon Lansman who is Jewish, he doesnt see a problem, why would that be so? ....i'll tell you, because he is a socialist not a Blairite..its all a set up Tinfoil, its all a big stitch up, and sooner people wake up to the media bias the better..

incidentally, what are the specific accusations that labour are not handling well? the refusal to cow toe to the IHRA? agreeing to that 100% ..

i also noticed how the Ken Livingstone witch hunt changed shape as it went on, firstly he was accused of antisemitism, then that was dropped to bringing the party into distribute, its all smoke and mirrors Tinfoil

[tinfoilhat]

says who? the media? dont fall into the trap by the media Tinfoil...they are giving you a false version of events...i am on many left labour Facebook pages, and hand on heart i can honestly say that i have never seen any antisemitic abuse, i have seen condemnation of Israel, but that is not hatred of the Jewish people or religion, they want to stifle all criticism of the way Israel is treating Palestinians..

Just out of interest, momentum who are supposed to be hard left (pfttttt)..was formed by Jon Lansman who is Jewish, he doesnt see a problem, why would that be so? ....i'll tell you, because he is a socialist not a Blairite..its all a set up Tinfoil, its all a big stitch up, and sooner people wake up to the media bias the better..

incidentally, what are the specific accusations that labour are not handling well? the refusal to cow toe to the IHRA? agreeing to that 100% ..

i also noticed how the Ken Livingstone witch hunt changed shape as it went on, firstly he was accused of antisemitism, then that was dropped to bringing the party into distribute, its all smoke and mirrors Tinfoil

 

We will find out next general election.

[banjodeano]

We will find out next general election.

 

what will we find out?

[tinfoilhat]

what will we find out?

 

If Labour lose seats with a high percentage of Jewish voters then he hasn't won the antisemitism argument.

[Mister Gee]

what will we find out?

 

That's he voting Conservative.

[banjodeano]

If Labour lose seats with a high percentage of Jewish voters then he hasn't won the antisemitism argument.

 

i DONT think labour will win the argument, how can he win when he is up against the might of the media, the establishment and the Blairites in his own party, even you seem to believe all the antisemitism guff and i think you only know one Jewish person? people usually believe what they see on the telly for some odd reason..

after saying all that, if labour lose seats in Jewish areas, it doesnt actually prove if Corbyn is right or wrong,

 

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That's he voting Conservative.

 

hahahaa, probably ..