Manlinose   10 #85 Posted November 25, 2013 in a free market economy surely they can sell (or not sell) whatever they want as long as it is legal  if this particular branch of subway chooses not to sell bacon, and they are not breaking their franchise agreement by doing so, surely it is their choice  as others have posted - if you want a bacon sarnie, and the shop you are in doesn't sell them - find one that does Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jason Bourne   11 #86 Posted November 25, 2013 Halal and kosher are not considered humane. The Danes have banned it and our own Farm Animal Welfare Council said Halal and Kocher "cause severe suffering to animals".  Because UK farmers' method of stunning and / or electrocution and / or a bolt through the brain is just sooooooo humane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
boyfriday   21 #87 Posted November 25, 2013 I can only tell you what I was told in Subway. Well there it is, on the menu I posted, more pork products than you could take could market. I find it a little suspect that Subway state some are halal but then does not publish the list. This is why I have asked for the list to see exactly how many sell or are halal certified. Presumably it's the ones that dont sell bacon  No, you are confused. The hippy comment you are trying to mimic is, if you cared about animal welfare you would be vegan. You can eat animals if they are slaughtered in a humane manor. Halal and kosher are not considered humane  Not trying to mimic it at all, what aspects of halal slaughter are you describing as not humane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hots on   10 #88 Posted November 25, 2013 in a free market economy surely they can sell (or not sell) whatever they want as long as it is legal if this particular branch of subway chooses not to sell bacon, and they are not breaking their franchise agreement by doing so, surely it is their choice  as others have posted - if you want a bacon sarnie, and the shop you are in doesn't sell them - find one that does  The bacon/sausage sarnie is a part of British culture and there clearly is a demand for them there given the other sarnie shops in the general area that do them, so for the Muslims that run this particular Subway to pull pork products from the menu makes no business sense, it is purely a religious decision to the detriment of pork eating non-Muslims in that locality.  The issue here really is Islam again, and how it just doesn't fit in with British society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Super Hans   10 #89 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Conspiring against me? How? This isn't my thread, I don't eat pork, but I don't have an objection to selling it to other people. I think it's shortsighted, a bad business decision, deprives local pig farmers of a cash stream and deprives people of a perfectly good taste experience. And, as some of you insist on bringing Muslims into it, for no good reason, other than your own prejudices, it gives certain people an in to bang on about another thing we have to suffer for the sake of Islam.  Turkey rasher and egg breadcake? Just doesn't sound as appetitising somehow though,does it?  You say it's a bad business decision but it's obviously not or they wouldn't be doing it.  And no Turkey rasher and an egg breadcake doesn't sound very nice, but the vast majority of Subway sandwiches don't have bacon in them so it doesn't affect most of what they sell.  As others have said, if you're on London road and want bacon, there are tens of shops and takeaways and other food places you can go to. So clearly OP is just picking out a place that doesn't sell it and trying to start a flame war. Edited November 25, 2013 by Super Hans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
boyfriday   21 #90 Posted November 25, 2013 The bacon/sausage sarnie is a part of British culture and there clearly is a demand for them there given the other sarnie shops in the general area that do them, so for the Muslims that run this particular Subway to pull pork products from the menu makes no business sense, it is purely a religious decision to the detriment of pork eating non-Muslims in that locality. The issue here really is Islam again, and how it just doesn't fit in with British society.  When did you last go into Lily's Pork Stores and complain they didn't do fish & chips? After all it makes no business sense that they don't serve every version of fast food available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hots on   10 #91 Posted November 25, 2013 You say this:  You say it's a bad business decision but it's obviously not or they wouldn't be doing it.  and in the same post go on to say this:  As others have said, if you're on London road and want bacon, there are tens of shops and takeaways and other food places you can go to.  ---------- Post added 25-11-2013 at 16:56 ----------  When did you last go into Lily's Pork Stores and complain they didn't do fish & chips? After all it makes no business sense that they don't serve every version of fast food available.  Not the same thing at all. The point is is that originally that particular Subway did do pork products, then it got taken over by Muslims and now it doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Manlinose   10 #92 Posted November 25, 2013 The bacon/sausage sarnie is a part of British culture and there clearly is a demand for them there given the other sarnie shops in the general area that do them, so for the Muslims that run this particular Subway to pull pork products from the menu makes no business sense, it is purely a religious decision to the detriment of pork eating non-Muslims in that locality. The issue here really is Islam again, and how it just doesn't fit in with British society.  it may be a part of "British culture" and there may be a demand for them, but neither of these issues are the point - we live in a free country and people are free to make whatever decisions they choose within legal frameworks  whether or not it is a decision motivated by religion is irrelevant - and how can it be "to the detriment of pork eating non-muslims" when, as you say, there are other sarnie shops in the area that will happily cater to all your porcine requirements Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Danny_Boy   10 #93 Posted November 25, 2013 The bacon/sausage sarnie is a part of British culture and there clearly is a demand for them there given the other sarnie shops in the general area that do them, so for the Muslims that run this particular Subway to pull pork products from the menu makes no business sense, it is purely a religious decision to the detriment of pork eating non-Muslims in that locality. The issue here really is Islam again, and how it just doesn't fit in with British society.  Perhaps they realised that there were many pork based options on offer in the region and instead of trying to compete decided to try a different approach and offer Halal. That way they get the Muslim custom and also the custom of clients who weren't looking for a pork based sandwich.  Do people really care about this or is it just another thing that people can jump on and use as a stick to beat Muslims? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mr Bloke   1,445 #94 Posted November 25, 2013 You say it's a bad business decision but it's obviously not or they wouldn't be doing it. ... a bad business decision certainly wouldn't bring home the... erm... bacon! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
anywebsite   10 #95 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Th popularity of places like Subway, McDonalds, Costa etc is down to consistency. You can go to a McDonald's in Leeds or London and you will get exactly the same burger. You cant say that for any of the local small businesses for obvious reasons. People want to know what they will get and they will stomach mediocre quality for constancy.  It is starting to make sense.  It's all the people who'll walk really slow down the length of London Road, taking 15 minutes, holding up busy people, walking past maybe 10 or 20 bacon sandwich shops to make sure they get one that they know will be terrible & has no danger of tasting of anything. Then they get disappointed because it's even worse than they thought it'd be, with one tasteless processed meat substituted for another, but no doubt they'll be back again tomorrow.  Then they come on Sheffield Forum to moan about it because they were too scared to complain about the even worse than normal 'bacon' sandwich from Subway. Edited November 25, 2013 by anywebsite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dosxuk   10 #96 Posted November 25, 2013 Not the same thing at all. The point is is that originally that particular Subway did do pork products, then it got taken over by Muslims and now it doesn't.  When it opened, it was halal and didn't sell pork products. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...