Litotes   63 #1837 Posted December 9, 2012 both  .............................  But that hasn't happened...  So where does this stand with openness and transparency? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1   438 #1838 Posted December 10, 2012 So you park outside someones house ? Is there no permit parking there .How would you feel if you could no longer take your car to work and had to use public transport all the time ?  Residents don't like commuters ,not totally true .Now more commuters are crammed into a smaller area rather than being spread around a bit .  No you cannot please everyone . But not charging for permits would certainly please many people i'm sure.  I don't park in front of anyone's house and you don't need a permit where I park. I have used public transport to get to work extensively, I don't have any problem with it at all.  There are different thoughts and different approaches on charging for permits. £20 a year is hardly a kings ransom when compared to the cost of owning and running a car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Phil.N Â Â 10 #1839 Posted December 10, 2012 Recieved a new leaflet a few days ago asking for my opinions on the scheme. Leaflet is still written from a "pro scheme" point of view, rather than presenting a balanced argument, which was my chief complaint last time. Â I mean, the question: "would it be better if the scheme were extended? yes/no", really should be paired up with, "would it be better if the scheme were reduced? yes/no". Ho hum. Â We don't have the scheme on our street, and I think parking has got marginally worse in the last few months (not scheme related - a beauty salon relocated here, and as such there are more ladies wanting to be made beautiful travelling here in cars). Â My plan is to respond, and in the comments box ask for the whole thing to be scrapped, even though I know its a waste of good ink. I urge others to do the same. Tell them that things are worse, but don't ask for an extension, ask for it to go. Â Great comments on this thread by BoroB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
HotPhil   10 #1840 Posted December 10, 2012 I mean, the question: "would it be better if the scheme were extended? yes/no", really should be paired up with, "would it be better if the scheme were reduced? yes/no". Ho hum.  Who'd have thought! The review consultation comprises similarly loaded questions to that of the original consultation? Surely not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
NightFlight   10 #1841 Posted December 10, 2012 As girly decided to dispose of teh response card, does anyone know how I can make my views known formally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dan_Ashcroft   10 #1842 Posted December 10, 2012 Who'd have thought! The review consultation comprises similarly loaded questions to that of the original consultation? Surely not?  Indeed. You inadevertantly agree to the scheme if you say match day parking can be a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
random0082 Â Â 10 #1843 Posted December 10, 2012 Families with more than one car, you might need more than one, im not saying you dont, but if parking space is limited in the immediate area then yes, you should be restricted to one permit, or expect to pay for more permits. why should you expect to park all your cars near your house at the expense of your neighbours. Just selfish really. Â Commuters think they can just half abandon thier car on any bit of pavement or unused private land. Ive seen some parking diagonally, literally across the apex of junctions. not only wrong (was on double yellows) but ive seen it cause accidents as it obscures vision at the junction. Â I saw one thread on here about Centertainment parking for example. Someone complained they had got a ticket for parking on the pavement there. They honestly justified it by saying the car park was full, so they HAD to park on the pavement. lol is this the level people have come down to? Â All it needs really is for people to be a bit more reasonable with each other, but people are only out for themselves and dont give a toss about anyone else. Then they moan when someone else has to sort it out for them when they wont. Â Id be happy to see more permit schemes as long as theyre enforced properly. Â Loaded questions on forms? come on, are we all adults or what? Ok, you might have to read them properly (which you should anyway) but theyre hardly going to be misleading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
HotPhil   10 #1844 Posted December 10, 2012 Loaded questions on forms? come on, are we all adults or what? Ok, you might have to read them properly (which you should anyway) but theyre hardly going to be misleading.Leaving out perhaps unfavourable, but obvious, outcomes of introducing such a scheme may not have been actively misleading, but it was a hardly being upfront. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
matsalleh   10 #1845 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) where I live (Owlerton) the original scheme was partly touted as providing more parking for shoppers,fair enough it was pretty busy.Since the scheme started every day there are only4/5 cars parked during the day and they are mainly residents,so no shoppers,Saturday/Sunday and night time it is full of residents cars.This was originally said time after time,and 24 hr resident parking was asked for.I have noticed more works type vans parking overnight Finally I would prefer the scheme is left as is,because any fiddling will ony make matters worse,apart from 24hr residents parking,and that will never happen. Edited December 11, 2012 by matsalleh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
yoda1 Â Â 10 #1846 Posted December 11, 2012 As girly decided to dispose of teh response card, does anyone know how I can make my views known formally? Â the adress on reviewal form is: scheme design group, corporate mail facility, townhall, sheffield s1 2zz. Your response should include name street and house number do you think their are parking problems on your street? when the problems are day evening weekend etc. Do you think the situation could be improved by your street been included although this may not apply to you.Then any furthur comments. Petitions i m sure go to Andrew Marwood although he is at the carbrook building i m sure. I can also provide this address when i find the forms out later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
NightFlight   10 #1847 Posted December 11, 2012 the adress on reviewal form is: scheme design group, corporate mail facility, townhall, sheffield s1 2zz. Your response should include name street and house number do you think their are parking problems on your street? when the problems are day evening weekend etc. Do you think the situation could be improved by your street been included although this may not apply to you.Then any furthur comments. Petitions i m sure go to Andrew Marwood although he is at the carbrook building i m sure. I can also provide this address when i find the forms out later.  Thanks Yoda1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
yoda1 Â Â 10 #1848 Posted December 11, 2012 Where i live this scheme was apparently residents choice. We petitioned against the scheme and part of our road was not included although it is now under 'Review'. There are residents on our road that would like permits as they have said they are unable to park outside their house!. Permits do not give you a permanent spot outside your house, they allow shoppers to come and go for 2 hrs at a time as one goes another may come. I don t think we should have to pay to park out side our own house when others dont neither should our visitors.if this was to help residents why can t permits be issued free? Hillsboroughs shops are strruggling It does put people off popping to hillsborough it may only be 20p now or did it go up to 40p in april? but this will increase and if you don t have the change on you and are in the car its as easy to pop to the new asda where you can buy almost everything you can in hillsborough and park for free. I think its disgusting charging to park a car at hillsborough park too i m lucky i can walk but i would not pay on principle. There are lots of nice parks in sheffield which i don t have to pay to park outside. I have 3 children if i m off to the park its usually because i would like to give my children a cheap fun day out. I know these permits might not seem expensive now but the cost already went up in april they ve not been in place that long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...