Cyclone Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 An employer should have rights, they have plenty. You can hire people based on qualifications, personality, looks in certain situations. You can sack them for bad time keeping, inability to do the job, misconduct, etc... You can make them redundant if you don't have enough work, and the pay is completely up to you so long as it's above minimum wage. But to not hire someone because you don't like their sexuality, well that's just prejudice unless you can justify how it would interfere with the work, and prejudice should not be accepted in any case or situation. I don't follow your analogy, hiring someone and trespassing, I'm not getting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozy Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Yes I have removed mine as well, and having "staright walking lessons" now, lol :P Best not "mince" with "makeup" tonight at the Forum meet, I might get thrown out of the pub. Oh, don't! That phrase had me in tucks, remembering the bit in The Bird Cage when (drat, name has gone from memory) is practising his John Wayne walk. It creases me up every time I see it. On a more serious note, and to quote another SF user, "You can't educate pork". So arguing with the sort of bigot who thinks everybody who isn't male, white, Christian and heterosexual is automatically inferior or wrong is wasted effort. We'd be better putting our efforts into feeling sorry for them, because they are obviously very sad, insecure people who can't cope with anybody "different", and have a desperate need to feel superior to somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungbeetle Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 An employer should have rights, they have plenty. You can hire people based on qualifications, personality, looks in certain situations. You can sack them for bad time keeping, inability to do the job, misconduct, etc... You can make them redundant if you don't have enough work, and the pay is completely up to you so long as it's above minimum wage. But to not hire someone because you don't like their sexuality, well that's just prejudice unless you can justify how it would interfere with the work, and prejudice should not be accepted in any case or situation. I don't follow your analogy, hiring someone and trespassing, I'm not getting it? Perhaps our views differ a tad - I see being forced to employ somebody whose lifestyle and mannerisms offend me as being directly equivalent to somebody trespassing in my home; in fact, it would be worse - because the law would support the unwanted employee being forced upon me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Perhaps our views differ a tad - I see being forced to employ somebody whose lifestyle and mannerisms offend me as being directly equivalent to somebody trespassing in my home; in fact, it would be worse - because the law would support the unwanted employee being forced upon me. theres numerous wrongs in your post. 1: it shouldnt offend you, even if its not "your thing" you should be able to let them live their life, you live theirs. 2: its nowhere near trespassing in your home (its a workplace where you get the general public to work for you) 3: there would be no law or force needed if people like you didnt hate, abuse, get offended and let people just get on with their lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungbeetle Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 theres numerous wrongs in your post. 1: it shouldnt offend you, even if its not "your thing" you should be able to let them live their life, you live theirs. 2: its nowhere near trespassing in your home (its a workplace where you get the general public to work for you) 3: there would be no law or force needed if people like you didnt hate, abuse, get offended and let people just get on with their lives Okay, let's look at it differently. Would you employ member of combat 18 with swastikas tattooed on his neck and forehead, knowing that his hobbies included going out at weekend to beat up Asians, and that he would support a party if it proposed gassing all non-whites and homosexual. No? Well, that's discrimination. You should just let him get on with his life and pay him the money he needs to get on with his hobbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Okay, let's look at it differently. Would you employ member of combat 18 with swastikas tattooed on his neck and forehead, knowing that his hobbies included going out at weekend to beat up Asians, and that he would support a party if it proposed gassing all non-whites and homosexual. No? Well, that's discrimination. You should just let him get on with his life and pay him the money he needs to get on with his hobbies. 1: theres a difference between being homosexual and going about your life and going round beating up innocent people (he may even do it at work if i employed a gay person too ) 2: theres plenty of tattooed people at work, and most of my workmates (sadly) do have racist thinkings, normally about muslims and asians 3: yes dungbeetle id employ you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Wouldn't it be easier to have a law saying that inciting any kind of violence is a crime? Why keep passing one for this, one for that, just cover it all. I believe inciting violence is already well covered in law. This new measure is about inciting hatred, but what actually constitutes hatred will be pretty difficult to define in legal terms I imagine. Are long-held religious views that homosexuality is sinful an incitement to hatred ? Will the Bible and the Koran have to be reprinted to be used legally in the UK ? The lawyers will be rubbing their hands in glee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusFinch Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This proposal against incitement of hatred towards homosexuals isn't all that's contained within this bill. Another element is to ban violent porn images. In other words if some consenting adults want to act out and film an S&M scene and then other consenting adults watch it, this would be illegal. Despite the fact that S&M is perfectly legal, watching it would become illegal. Not only that but the law specifies "possession" of these explicit images, so if a couple make an S&M video for their own pleasure, never show it to anyone else but are caught with it in their own house, they could be arrested. This law is puritanical, illiberal and should be vehemently opposed. What consenting adults get up to is no business of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensonhedges Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 How can you be normal,if you were normal you would concede to normality and be attracted to the opposite sex,Idont know the percentages but if ,lets say 5% of the worlds population are H/S and the other 95% are hetro simple mathematics say that the greater figure is the norm therefore the lesser bigger is abnormal,sorry but I just dont know any other opposite word to the word normal other than deviant,which is to deviate from the normality.so its a simple choice which you prefer..abnormal or deviant You are clearly confusing the statistical average term, "the norm", with "normal", a value judgement on gay people's lifestyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey10 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Erm, not preferential treatment, but like other minority groups, need to be protected from abuse and discrimination from small minded bigots etc. Don't think many hetrosexual males or females are subjected to the same levels of abuse or discrimination. Have you ever been teased for being hetrosexual or refused a job for the same reason? old age pensioners are the most vulnerable. they dont have special laws to protect them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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