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4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Very informative - no indication what it was about, its source or anything. It was, I assume,  a link, but didn't read as such.

Vaccine production, in millions of doses, per major economy bloc, with indication of volume split between domestic use and export. Published by The Independent, sourced from Airfinity.

 

It's all there, for those bothered enough to look, rather than pick an argument for argument's sake.

 

<sigh>

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

I think there's plenty of blame to go around but politicians from the EU need a healthy amount heading their way. First they gave all responsibility for purchasing of vaccines to the EU, then - even worse - they've queued up to rubbish it, question it's worth to the point great swathes of the EU population don't want it (I read only 20% of French over 65s trust it).

 

It's a useful stick to beat us with but we could export tonnes of it over there and I have great doubt wether it will get used promptly, sat in a fridge until it's PR improves.

The demand is severely pent-up.

 

For every over-65 getting gaslit over the vaccine potency in France and elsewhere (sure, it's not just Brit OAPs who can get gaslit and anxious over invented problems), there are tens of thousands of under-65s who would drop everything and go get vaccinated on the spot.

 

Some French GPs recently went on record as cold-calling their registered patients outside of the 'correct' ranges, when nobody in the 'correct' range shows up through 'fear of the AZ' , precisely to avoid wastage. It's exactly why Castex went and got his AZ vaccine 'out of turn', to help dispel this myth.

 

The bulk of grumbling in the EU is about delayed vaccine approval (justified IMHO) and stalled vaccination programmes, not centralised and coordinated procurement, which has worked reasonably well.

 

The reason vaccination programmes are stalled, is because they were initially devised and estimated based on manufacturers' contractual delivery commitments (that have never been met yet) and because the EU respected its exporting commitments in the meantime.

 

The situation will improve, as manufacturers are made to respect their contractual commitments through export controls. Unless they're not bothered about doing business with the EU in the long-term, of course.

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22 minutes ago, L00b said:

Vaccine production, in millions of doses, per major economy bloc, with indication of volume split between domestic use and export. Published by The Independent, sourced from Airfinity.

 

It's all there, for those bothered enough to look, rather than pick an argument for argument's sake.

 

<sigh>

<sigh> <sigh>  - so why not kind of inform us what it is about, so we know what we are likely to find? Or is that too hard?

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22 minutes ago, L00b said:

Vaccine production, in millions of doses, per major economy bloc, with indication of volume split between domestic use and export. Published by The Independent, sourced from Airfinity.

 

It's all there, for those bothered enough to look, rather than pick an argument for argument's sake.

 

<sigh>

I don't think anyone was picking an argument.  The graph you chose to provide gives a false impression of the real situation.  

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Thanks, @West 77. I wasn't picking an argument, as you say - merely pointing out that a random series of characters isn't much use without explanation.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

I don't think anyone was picking an argument.  The graph you chose to provide gives a false impression of the real situation.  

And based on false statistics. 

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4 hours ago, L00b said:

No, simply informing the debate a little more, in relation to the sub-topic of vaccine nationalism/triumphalism.

 

You can choose to read that post, or ‘coded’ whatever into that post -because I happened to post it rather than another- however you want: them’s the facts just the same.


Giz a shout when you feel like playing the ball sometime.

 

 

 

Pick the “facts” as it suits,and also feel free to chose which ball you wish to play from the ensuing comments.

I have no idea what the various uptake is or will be when vaccine is available around the EU countries,but thus far in the U.K. the uptake is over 93% for 75 plus age group which seems pretty good to me.

I hope that there will be no delays in receiving the second jab by the due dates.

I have great sympathy for  those having to play catch up as a result of a more guarded initial approach by their medical advisers and political leaders,and I hope for more cooperation and less point scoring.

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We must not allow ourselves to be distracted. The important elements of the statement I posted yesterday are shown in bold type below:

 

Boris Johnson would like us to believe that capitalism and greed enabled the success of the UK vaccine project. In fact, following the private sector catastrophy of the PPE scandal and the devastating failure of the promised world-beating outsourced test and trace project, the vaccine success is due entirely to social democratic mechanisms - up front public investment to encourage innovation in a sector that prefers to sell established staples - SSRIs, analgesics and nicotine patches; the use of legacy public education institutions; and supply of the finished product 'at cost' rather than to shareholder advantage, administered via the NHS. But don't expect these facts to be celebrated on the front page of the Daily Mail or explained bythe BBC.

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@Staunton - in simple English, please explain what you are trying to say.

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

And based on false statistics. 

I think we all know the graph was uploaded in a poor attempt to paint the UK in a bad light.  All vaccines manufactured anyway in the World rely on global  imports of components in order for to make a vaccine.  The graph doesn't state that AstraZeneca is a UK/Swedish pharmaceutical company  whose headquarters is in the UK that has factories all over the World producing covid-19 vaccines. The graph doesn't show that the early big  orders by the UK Government enabled AstraZeneca to upscale production sooner rather than later which  is beneficial for everyone through out the World including the citizens of the EU.

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Two members of staff at a South Devon care home have been arrested in connection with a Covid-19 outbreak that is believed to have caused multiple deaths.
Meanwhile, Boris Johnson is hiding under a table, just in case the police knock on his door.

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We are urged by free market economists and their media champions to accept the notion that entrepreneurs are brave investors, creating wealth and jobs. They are not. In fact they are nothing more than profit seekers, extracting wealth for themselves, and causing social and economic devastation in the process. At the heart of free market economics is the mechanism known as 'maximising shareholder value'. Businesses are not interested in any other contributors to an enterprise than their executives and their shareholders - they seek to employ any necessary labour at the lowest cost, to drive down the price they pay their suppliers and distributors, to cheat their taxes and to discharge their waste as cheaply as possible, for free if possible, thereby polluting the environment, contributing to global heating, etc. They don't create wealth, just hoard it. All these notions are obscured by the ideology known as neoliberalism, which pushes the myth of the brave, fearless, independent individual, bringing prosperity where there was none.

 

The UK vaccine project is instructive since its success featured the reverse of neoliberal doctrine - up-front public investment, public research in the university laboratory, and 'at cost' delivery (i.e. no immediate profit to the manufacturer). And it's roll-out is being successfully handled by the NHS and it's taxpayer funded, established, public, institutional structure. These social-democratic principles are what facilitated the astrazenica/Oxford achievements, and the very success of the project gives an ideal example of how sensible economic policy can contribute to democratic society rather than exhaust it and drive the world to ruin.

 

For a fascinating account of this theme see Mariana Mazzucato, The Value of Everything: Making and taking in the global economy, Penguin (London, 2019)

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