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Boris Johnson would like us to believe that capitalism and greed enabled the success of the UK vaccine project. In fact, following the private sector catastrophy of the PPE scandal and the devastating failure of the promised world-beating outsourced test and trace project, the vaccine success is due entirely to social democratic mechanisms - up front public investment to encourage innovation in a sector that prefers to sell established staples - SSRIs, analgesics and nicotine patches; the use of legacy public education institutions; and supply of the finished product 'at cost' rather than to shareholder advantage, administered via the NHS. But don't expect these facts to be celebrated on the front page of the Daily Mail or explained bythe BBC

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27 minutes ago, Staunton said:

Boris Johnson would like us to believe that capitalism and greed enabled the success of the UK vaccine project. In fact, following the private sector catastrophy of the PPE scandal and the devastating failure of the promised world-beating outsourced test and trace project, the vaccine success is due entirely to social democratic mechanisms - up front public investment to encourage innovation in a sector that prefers to sell established staples - SSRIs, analgesics and nicotine patches; the use of legacy public education institutions; and supply of the finished product 'at cost' rather than to shareholder advantage, administered via the NHS. But don't expect these facts to be celebrated on the front page of the Daily Mail or explained bythe BBC

I refer you to post #4581.

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

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The UK Government funded the Oxford/AstraZeneca covid 19 vaccine from the start. The Oxford/AstraZenca is being sold at cost price and being manufactured in other countries outside the UK including the EU.  Both the UK Government and AstraZeneca have wanted their vaccine to be available throughout the World as easily as possible and as cheap as possible.  The way the EU have behaved towards AstraZeneca is a disgrace. As a consequence of the behaviour of the EU it's most unlikely AstraZeneca will give up the chance to make billions in profit in order to make their vaccines easily available to more countries in the future.  

 

Just for completeness the graph you have uploaded doesn't paint a true picture and fails to acknowledge how the whole World is benefiting from the Oxford/AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine project supported and funded by the UK Government.

Edited by West 77

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44 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Coded message, @L00b?

I am sure that we are supposed to read much into the statistics provided by L00b,and nothing that reflects well on the  U.K.

Possibly so but it is an inescapable fact that wealthier countries will vaccinate their own population ,and comparisons between one country / blocs  and others will highlight the inequalities.

Perhaps ultimately this will be the best way forward.

Do you spread a scarce resource thinly around the globe or use it in a more concentrated way?

Economics also play a part.

Do some of the producers aim for the more lucrative markets.This certainly seems to be the case.

The only long term progress for the world population is to increase production so that all countries have reached the requisite level of vaccinations to tip the balance,and this prospect still remains distant.

Just read comments of West 77 which I agree with.

This is no time for anything other than cooperation.

Edited by RJRB

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2 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I am sure that we are supposed to read much into the statistics provided by L00b,and nothing that reflects well on the  U.K.

Possibly so but it is an inescapable fact that wealthier countries will vaccinate their own population ,and comparisons between one country / blocs  and others will highlight the inequalities.

Perhaps ultimately this will be the best way forward.

Do you spread a scarce resource thinly around the globe or use it in a more concentrated way?

Economics also play a part.

Do some of the producers aim for the more lucrative markets.This certainly seems to be the case.

The only long term progress for the world population is to increase production so that all countries have reached the requisite level of vaccinations to tip the balance,and this prospect still remains distant.

I just read typical L00bism.

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1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

Coded message, @L00b?

No, simply informing the debate a little more, in relation to the sub-topic of vaccine nationalism/triumphalism.

 

You can choose to read that post, or ‘coded’ whatever into that post -because I happened to post it rather than another- however you want: them’s the facts just the same.


Giz a shout when you feel like playing the ball sometime.

 

 

 

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The one thing the graph in L00bs post gets wrong and is misleading is that the EU as an organisation have not exported 46 million doses of vaccine or even 41.6 which is more the more accurate figure. It's the number of vaccines the vaccine  manufacturers themselves have exported out of the EU.

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39 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Economics also play a part.

Do some of the producers aim for the more lucrative markets.This certainly seems to be the case.

The UK are paying about twice per dose for the AZ vaccine as the EU are. It's entirely possible that, faced with being unable to meet all production promises, AZ are prioritising those paying more rather than restrict deliveries to all proportionate to levels of outstanding orders. If that is the case, you can understand the EU being so upset. It would be politically impossible for AZ to admit that's what is happening though.

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9 minutes ago, altus said:

The UK are paying about twice per dose for the AZ vaccine as the EU are. It's entirely possible that, faced with being unable to meet all production promises, AZ are prioritising those paying more rather than restrict deliveries to all proportionate to levels of outstanding orders. If that is the case, you can understand the EU being so upset. It would be politically impossible for AZ to admit that's what is happening though.

I think there's plenty of blame to go around but politicians from the EU need a healthy amount heading their way. First they gave all responsibility for purchasing of vaccines to the EU, then - even worse - they've queued up to rubbish it, question it's worth to the point great swathes of the EU population don't want it (I read only 20% of French over 65s trust it).

 

It's a useful stick to beat us with but we could export tonnes of it over there and I have great doubt wether it will get used promptly, sat in a fridge until it's PR improves.

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

No, simply informing the debate a little more, in relation to the sub-topic of vaccine nationalism/triumphalism.

 

You can choose to read that post, or ‘coded’ whatever into that post -because I happened to post it rather than another- however you want: them’s the facts just the same.


Giz a shout when you feel like playing the ball sometime.

 

 

 

Very informative - no indication what it was about, its source or anything. It was, I assume,  a link, but didn't read as such.

 

BTW: you are beginning to sound a bit desperate.

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