Jump to content


Coronavirus - Part Two.

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, West 77 said:

Exactly correct. The £10,000 fine for organisers of big gatherings hasn't been a deterrent to some of the less wealthy

I wonder how many of these £10,000 fines have been handed out and collected from the "less wealthy".

 

I also wonder if, as in previous lockdowns, footballers are then found to have ignored orders and been found in parties.  £10,000 deterrents for those earning £200,000 a week?

£5,000 for going abroad?

Edited by Thirsty Relic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
On 24/03/2021 at 09:58, West 77 said:

According to Laura Kuenssberg the  joking comments were aimed at the Tory chief whip who was gobbling down food at the time.  Do you think Boris should refrain from using humour?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546

 

We will never know if less covid 19 related deaths would have happened under an alternative Government. We will never know if an alternative Government would have been as successful in rolling out a vaccine program that is saving thousands of lives.  What we do know is more lives would have been saved if society collectively had followed the covid 19 related guidelines , rules and laws  introduced during the last twelve months.

Johnson can please himself. He finds humour in most situations, "Operation Last Gasp" was his 'light hearted' gag at the UK's attempts to het more ventilators. No he can take the **** all he likes; I'm sure the people who have died from the disease would be ******* themselves laughing at his 'jokes', had they not died.

Meanwhile the Mail yesterday tries to con people that Johnson can be taken seriously when he said that his experience of being the PM while the disease was ravaging the population would 'Haunt me for as long as I live'

Mail240321.png

 

Well he can always cheer himself up with one of his amusing asides.

 

On your other point about not knowing if more people would've died had other decision been made. Professor Neil Fergusson disagrees with you. Prof Fergusson told a committee of MPs 

"Had we introduced lockdown measures a week earlier, we would have reduced the final death toll by at least a half."

 

 

 

Edited by Mister M

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Johnson can please himself. He finds humour in most situations, "Operation Last Gasp" was his 'light hearted' gag at the UK's attempts to het more ventilators. No he can take the **** all he likes; I'm sure the people who have died from the disease would be ******* themselves laughing at his 'jokes', had they not died.

Meanwhile the Mail yesterday tries to con people that Johnson can be taken seriously when he said that his experience of being the PM while the disease was ravaging the population would 'Haunt me for as long as I live'

Mail240321.png

 

Well he can always cheer himself up with one of his amusing asides.

 

On your other point about not knowing if more people would've died had other decision been made. Professor Neil Fergusson disagrees with you. Prof Fergusson told a committee of MPs 

"Had we introduced lockdown measures a week earlier, we would have reduced the final death toll by at least a half."

 

 

 

And Ferguson can prove his point, scientifically?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, RollingJ said:

And Ferguson can prove his point, scientifically?

Given that he's a epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the patterns of spread of infectious disease in humans and animals, I'm more inclined to listen to him and his advice to MPs, than someone off a social media site.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Mister M said:

Given that he's a epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the patterns of spread of infectious disease in humans and animals, I'm more inclined to listen to him and his advice to MPs, than someone off a social media site.

Of course, I understand that, but can he prove his claim, as a scientist?

 

That's why I don't follow such sites as Twitter, Facebook, et al.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well Sheffield Forum is a social media site. With regards to Neil Fergusson being able to prove his claim, then no he can't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Well Sheffield Forum is a social media site. With regards to Neil Fergusson being able to prove his claim, then no he can't.

I appreciate SF is a social media site, but all posts are open to all, without having to 'follow' individuals, so you get a slightly more balanced view and follow things easier - well, I can.

 

Thanks for the comment about Ferguson, though - so he could be totally wrong - i.e. it's just his opinion?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Given that he's a epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the patterns of spread of infectious disease in humans and animals, I'm more inclined to listen to him and his advice to MPs, than someone off a social media site.

He also said: "So whilst I think the measures, given what we knew about this virus then, in terms of its transmission, were warranted... certainly had we introduced them earlier, we would have seen many fewer deaths."

 

Unfortunately for him  his past record does not show him up as being that accurate when it come to predictions.

 

Worldwide deaths he predicted, admittedly as a worst case scenario.

 

BSE 2002 predicted 50,000 actual 177

Bird Flu 2005 predicted 150M actual 282. This also lead the government of the time to waste millions of £'s on antivirals which were then not needed.

Swine Flu 2009 predicted 65,000 actual 457

 

Just to add.. the code he is using to model the Covid-19 pandemic is old and was written 13 years ago to simulate flu pandemics.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

I appreciate SF is a social media site, but all posts are open to all, without having to 'follow' individuals, so you get a slightly more balanced view and follow things easier - well, I can.

 

Thanks for the comment about Ferguson, though - so he could be totally wrong - i.e. it's just his opinion?

That locking down too late cost many lives? Based on what happened at Christmas with people mingling causing a spike in cases, I'd say it was an opinion that is more than likely. 

Neil Fergusson was asked before the select committee presumably because he's got more than an opinion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, RollingJ said:

And Ferguson can prove his point, scientifically?

If the R rate is more than 2, then the numbers rise rapidly as the infection spreads. Once the numbers start to grow exponentially large, it's out of hand and all semblance of control is lost as it reproduces itself every day.

(Think the rice on a chess board adage, doubling every day.)

 

The whole thing rests on working fast and hard to stop it while the numbers are still small enough to deal with effectively. The government were told testing, testing, testing, particularly in the early days was paramount, (then you know what you are dealing with,) lock down asap. And then track and trace the relatively small numbers of those who have been infected.

 

This was a tried and tested method used in other countries who had been hit well before us, so we had time to prepare. 

Boris did none of this. Probably because he missed the first 5 Cobra meetings when I'm sure it was discussed.

 

Queensland, Australia went into Lockdown with a mere 5 cases, had draconian quarantine laws, and stopped it in it's tracks.

 

Edited by Anna B

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great reply, @Anna B, but not to the point raised in the quote. 😉

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.