the_bloke 17 #1477 Posted November 30, 2020 I see Carole Cadwalladr has conceded there was absolutely no evidence to support her well publicised claims in the Observer (and subsequently the BBC, TED talks etc etc) that Aaron Banks broke the law with the Leave.EU campaign and that there was Russian interference via Banks in Brexit. Oh dear. If the person who made the claims initially can't provide any evidence, then perhaps those that want to believe it might actually think again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus 540 #1478 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, the_bloke said: I see Carole Cadwalladr has conceded there was absolutely no evidence to support her well publicised claims in the Observer (and subsequently the BBC, TED talks etc etc) that Aaron Banks broke the law with the Leave.EU campaign and that there was Russian interference via Banks in Brexit. Oh dear. If the person who made the claims initially can't provide any evidence, then perhaps those that want to believe it might actually think again. Since you haven't seen fit to provide any context I will. From Press Gazette Quote Cadwalladr told Press Gazette she had withdrawn the truth defence because of Mr Justice Saini’s recent determination on the meaning of her words. “He has ruled that when I said Arron Banks lied about his relationship with the Russian government, it was ‘in relation to acceptance of foreign funding’,” she said. “But these are not words I have ever said. On the contrary, I’ve always been very clear that there is no evidence that Banks accepted Russian funding. ... A statement from Cadwalladr’s legal team on Thursday said: “In a libel case, the judge decides the meaning of the words complained of. After the judgment in December last year, Arron Banks dropped effectively two-thirds of his case against me and was ordered to pay costs. “We have had a further hearing in the case to consider the judge’s meaning as a result of which I have now dropped two out of my three defences and was ordered to pay costs, leaving the public interest defence to be argued at trial. This is very common in libel cases. Similarly, when Banks dropped some of his claims Quote But Banks has now discontinued his High Court claim against another talk made by Cadwalladr in June last year in which she said: “We know that the Russian Government offered money to Arron Banks. And so, there’s still question marks.” Ruling on the meaning of the words last month, Mr Justice Saini said: “In my judgment, the natural and ordinary meaning of the words was: Mr. Banks has been offered money by the Russians and (by way of inference) that there are substantial grounds to investigate whether he would be willing to accept such funds in violation of prohibitions on foreign electoral funding.” Banks also dropped his claim against a tweet in which Cadwalladr said an investigation into possible corruption in Italian politics involving Russians was a “mirror image of Arron Banks + Russians”. Mr Justice Saini had ruled the tweet did “carry a form of factual meaning”. I'm sure you wouldn't argue that by doing so Banks was conceding that he had accepted money from the Russians. So much more a matter of legal technicalities than your post implies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat 11 #1479 Posted November 30, 2020 This is hilarious. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000815/Furious-British-expats-blast-EUs-new-post-Brexit-travel-rules.html Not actually “new” at all. Literally what leavers voted for and the Mail insisted on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus 540 #1480 Posted November 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: This is hilarious. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000815/Furious-British-expats-blast-EUs-new-post-Brexit-travel-rules.html Not actually “new” at all. Literally what leavers voted for and the Mail insisted on. Surely they are not expats if it's just a holiday home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #1481 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said: This is hilarious. If the Mail thinks standard visa duration for 3rd country nationals throughout the EU is outrageous, and you think this is funny... ...just wait until the Mail finds out how home/villa owners from 3rd countries are treated for tax in some of these countries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
whiteowl 54 #1482 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said: This is hilarious. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000815/Furious-British-expats-blast-EUs-new-post-Brexit-travel-rules.html Not actually “new” at all. Literally what leavers voted for and the Mail insisted on. Unbelievable! The EU treating us as an non-EU country after we've... <checks notes> ...left the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB 688 #1483 Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, West 77 said: Only 32 days to go now. Bring in on. Yep.Bring it on and let’s see which factions of the country and the Conservative Party are the most aggrieved.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/30/boris-johnson-deal-betrayal-brexiters-no-deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sadbrewer 20 #1484 Posted December 1, 2020 On 27/11/2020 at 15:23, altus said: I think you've missed a Loob joke about our weaker position negotiating a trade deal with India from outside the EU. As for colonialism, the people you helped put in charge of sorting out brexit are the ones who came up with the Empire 2.0 proposals what were so roundly rejected by commonwealth countries precisely because they were an attempt to reimpose colonialist attitudes. There was no such thing as Empire 2.0 Proposals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sadbrewer 20 #1485 Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, the_bloke said: I see Carole Cadwalladr has conceded there was absolutely no evidence to support her well publicised claims in the Observer (and subsequently the BBC, TED talks etc etc) that Aaron Banks broke the law with the Leave.EU campaign and that there was Russian interference via Banks in Brexit. Oh dear. If the person who made the claims initially can't provide any evidence, then perhaps those that want to believe it might actually think again. I have serious concerns about foreign money being used in UK democratic processes, I wonder what Carole's opinion is of the hundreds of thousands donated to the Remain campaign by Hungarian billionaire George Soros and American billionaire Michael Bloomberg? Edited December 1, 2020 by sadbrewer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bargepole23 337 #1486 Posted December 1, 2020 16 hours ago, sadbrewer said: I have serious concerns about foreign money being used in UK democratic processes, I wonder what Carole's opinion is of the hundreds of thousands donated to the Remain campaign by Hungarian billionaire George Soros and American billionaire Michael Bloomberg? Then do something about it, like Carole has. On 30/11/2020 at 15:22, altus said: Surely they are not expats if it's just a holiday home. Presumably by "expat" you mean immigrant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus 540 #1487 Posted December 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said: Presumably by "expat" you mean immigrant. I was just using the Mail's phrase for context. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sadbrewer 20 #1488 Posted December 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Bargepole23 said: Then do something about it, like Carole has. Apologies I didn't know she'd challenged the Remain funding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...