sadbrewer

Were Chris and Karen their only children?

The British Newspaper Archive, available as a standalone service or through Findmypast is a subscription based (around a tenner per month) online resource. I'm not sure what years it covers but Telegraph pages are included.

As I said in the previous post the video is not Sheffield being hit...It actually took six days before it went down...after the fire burnt itself out it was decided to tow it to South Georgia but it sank whilst under tow.

The video is not of HMS Sheffield being hit...it is stock footage (If I remember rightly) from the missile's manufacturer. Sheffield was hit and the galley area penetrated but the warhead failed to detonate, the rocket motor fuel set the ship on fire, unfortunately the Navy had forgotten the rules of using flameproof materials in the fixtures and fittings, which made the situation much worse than it need have been.

You're correct about 1960 for the takeover...I've just been through a list from the Brewery History Society of 250 of their tied pubs, and Barnsley is the closest it gets. However it is possible that the list is not absolutely complete, although my view is that it probably is correct in relation to Sheffield...Melbourne's could easily have got into the City's Free trade though. Somewhere I have a nice bit of film of Melbourne's from the early 1950's. It was a piece made for the Brewery to show on its brewery tours.

Definitely an Exocet...as someone mentioned before set alight by the unburnt rocket fuel.

Maggie married Arthur Allen and had Reginald in 1921, Margaret in 1923 and Marjorie in 1927. I'm finding quite a bit of info out there...related families etc. We need to narrow it down a bit, which of the Costello's are you most interested in?

Just found this from the 1939 Register....62 Verdon St. Wm J Browes b 1884 (d 1951) Elizabeth b 1888 (nee Draycott) Stanley b 1915 Albert b 1921 James E b 1914 Edith b 1910 Plus several others whose records are still closed. Also a few trees on Ancestry covering your family....hope this is helpful.

Just to follow it up....I've had quite a bit of success tracing my own family over the years...my advice would be to write to the immediate neighbours with a SAE enclosed, just ask them if they remember her and what they know. 19 Lister Avenue looks on Google Street maps like it's part of a block of two storey flats, what we would call Social housing..it's possible, being in close proximity the neighbours might have known her well. The other avenue to try is Sheffield Council or whoever runs their social housing account, they might be able to tell you who handled Kathleen's affairs ( although Data Protection might be an obstacle) and perhaps order a copy death certificate, they used to tell you who reported the death, that might be useful .

Hi Denise, below is Kathleen's entry from the Electoral Roll. First name(s) Kathleen P Last name McGivern Year 2002-19 Street Lister Avenue Town Sheffield County South Yorkshire Country England Postcode S12 3FN Age guide - Address 19, Lister Avenue, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, S12 3FN District Sheffield Occupancy (years) 24 Electoral rolls 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

A recent article from The Guardian below. The forgotten history of what was once Britain’s biggest prisoner of war camp has been unearthed by archaeologists in the South Yorkshire countryside. At its peak in the second world war, Lodge Moor camp near Sheffield held more than 11,000 mostly German captives. Its extraordinary stories have been overlooked for more than 60 years as its moss-covered remains were shrouded in mystery. But it was during the first world war that the prison, formally known as Prisoner of War Camp 17, held its most infamous inmate. Admiral Karl Dönitz was the captain of several German U-boats who was captured by Allied forces when his vessel, U-boat 68, was forced to surface in October 1918. The admiral spent about six weeks at the Sheffield camp, according to the research, before feigning mental illness to avoid being treated as a war criminal. Dönitz was released back to Germany, where he rose to become commander of Hitler’s U-boats and head of the German navy, before going on to succeed Hitler as president of the German Reich. Lodge Moor was one of about 1,500 prisoner of war camps in Britain during the second world war but its significance, in terms of its huge size and type of prisoner, was not widely known. Only partial remains exist of the site, now a popular dog-walking spot about five miles west of Sheffield on the edge of the Peak District. Its history is occasionally discussed by local residents on internet forums but this research, by the University of Sheffield and the Sheffield Lakeland Landscape Partnership, is thought to be the first study of its kind of Lodge Moor. At the beginning of the second world war, the camp was occupied mostly by Italian prisoners, who were put to work on local farms and appeared to enjoy good relations with their Yorkshire neighbours, who would share with them their limited supplies of tea. However, quality of life in the camp deteriorated sharply with the sudden influx of German prisoners. Rob Johnson, one of the archaeology students who surveyed the site, said: “The prisoners were fed food out of galvanised dustbins, had to stand outside in the mud, rain and cold for several hours a day during roll call, and since it was so overpopulated as a transit camp, they were squashed into tents or the barracks with little personal space.” The study unearthed investigations into conditions at the camp by the International Committee for the Red Cross, which, in 1944, described it as “insufficient/uninhabitable” with half of the captives in huts and the other half in tents. The researchers found witness testimony suggesting there were more than 70 prisoners per barrack, more than double the official number of 30. In common with other prisoner of war camps in Britain, Lodge Moor saw its share of drama. On 20 December 1944 a group of German prisoners managed to escape the site – but were captured in nearby Rotherham just 24 hours later. Another escape plan ended in grisly fashion. One prisoner, Gerhardt Rettig, was chased around the Nissen huts by hundreds of inmates and beaten to a pulp after being suspected of tipping off Allied guards about a planned break-out in March 1945. Rettig later died in prison and his alleged killers were put on trial in London later that year. Two men, Armin Keuhne, 18, and Emil Schmittendorf, 31, were found guilty of his murder and executed by hanging at Pentonville prison in November 1945. The students involved in the study said they hoped their findings would be used to preserve and restore the site and the surrounding woodland. Georgina Goodison, an archaeology student involved in the project, said: “It was a big eye opener for me, as I didn’t realise that Lodge Moor camp even exists. The woodland hides it well. It hides the secrets of all the thousands of men who were housed there merely decades ago.”

Do you have any Christian names to give more of a clue?

Thank you for the interesting story. Just to let you know there are a few small references to Arnold on the British Newspaper Archive, if you don't have access send me a pm.

Do you have any idea when this might have been going? Shooting Saloons, or Gallery's were quite common at one time, mainly travelling fairground types, but some were undoubtedly fixed. I've found a few in Sheffield mainly pre 1920...30 The Moor, one near Heeley Station, one on West Bar, and one on the Wicker in 1914 at No 93, known as Life Targets, where you could shoot at moving cinema targets of German soldiers...it seems to have been very popular, apparently they opened a large smoking room kitted out with fitments from a local cinema...it appears to have been going great guns (if you'll pardon the pun) in late 1915 but I can find no record after that.

You'll be struggling for anyone living to be honest, but sometimes it's possible to find descendants of siblings or wider family, and you never know what they might know. I've had a quick look but can't find a Jesse Frederick in Sheffield at any time, there are a few Esther Russell's though. If you can give any more clues, ie birth death or marriage info I'll have another look......Ignore the last bit...I've just found them on the '39 Register living at 55 Southey Place...I'll dig a little more asap. Having dug a little more Jesse married Esther Howe in 1911...his address was given as 32 Cyclops St. As for pics...search this forum and there are a couple of old threads linking to Picture Sheffield...I can't help on identifying them as I'm not from round there...but I'm sure some on here can help.