Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Lockdoctor 10]

20 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

 

 

 

The Tory hardline faction said no to the backstop. If they had voted for it, we’d have left the EU by now.

 

If you want someone to blame for us not leaving the EU, try Jacob Rees Mogg.

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

Edited September 8, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Top Cats Hat 10]

6 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

Boris is doing his best to honour the referendum

Really?

 

Amber Rudd’s interview this morning made it quite clear that hardly any effort is being made to negotiate an exit and a whole lot of effort is going into no-deal planning.

 

When was a no-deal exit part of any promise made during the referendum?

[Pettytom 1]

8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

Didn’t the Tories have a majority at that point?

17 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

From what I've seen so far I've no reason to doubt it's how the majority would react. 

I never said it wasn't just Corbyn and co blocking the backstop, plenty of rebels in the Tory's aswell. Boris is doing his best to honour the referendum

Boris is doing his best to cling to power.

 

He cares about only one thing. And it isn’t the referendum 

[Longcol 608]

19 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You need to do more research or have a better memory.  Jacob Rees-Mogg  voted in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the third time of asking.  Most of the Tory Party eventually were prepared to compromise and support the agreement unlike the Labour Party.  Esther McVey said she held her nose and supported the deal on the third time of asking.  

If 33 Tories hadn't voted against the deal and supported May it would have been passed.

 

Since then they've been looking to blame everyone but themselves for the mess of their own making.

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[Lockdoctor 10]

12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Didn’t the Tories have a majority at that point?

 

No because the DUP didn't support the Withdrawal Agreement.  The Labour Party mainly  voted against the Withdrawal Agreement for political reasons.  

 

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

If 33 Tories hadn't voted against the deal and supported May it would have been passed.

 

Since then they've been looking to blame everyone but themselves for the mess of their own making.

 

If 33 more Labour MPs had supported the agreement then that would have ruled out a no-deal.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[taxman 12]

12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Really?

 

Amber Rudd’s interview this morning made it quite clear that hardly any effort is being made to negotiate an exit and a whole lot of effort is going into no-deal planning.

 

When was a no-deal exit part of any promise made during the referendum?

To be fair, a lot of no deal planning is useful anyway. It shows weaknesses in current operations, highlights lack of contigency etc.

 

My organisation has had to do a tonne of it because without it the Southeast would be a giant car park of lorries full of waste which would have to be diverted to landfill in the North.

 

So far we have made localised deals with our counterparts on the continent that should mean business as usual if there was no deal.

 

Thats the good news. The bad new is that all our other operations and activities have been subject to a "stop or slow" edict so resources can be diverted to no deal planning.

 

So instead of doing our day job we've had to let criminals go unpunished due to lack of resource.

 

Oh well, we still have the prospect of being able to volunteer to burn all the lambs farmers won't be able to sell under WTO rules to look forward to.

 

 

[Longcol 608]

2 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

No because the DUP didn't support the Withdrawal Agreement.  The Labour Party mainly  voted against the Withdrawal Agreement for political reasons.  

 

If 33 more Labour MPs had supported the agreement then that would have ruled out a no-deal.

It's up to the government MP's to back their PM, not the opposition.

 

The 33 Tories voting against the deal brought it down - if they'd voted for it, it would have been carried irrespective of the DUP.

[Lockdoctor 10]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

It's up to the government MP's to back their PM, not the opposition.

 

The 33 Tories voting against the deal brought it down - if they'd voted for it, it would have been carried irrespective of the DUP.

The point is that any MP regardless of which party they belong to,  who voted against the Withdrawal Agreement on the third time of asking shouldn't object to our country leaving the EU without a deal.  

[Longcol 608]

4 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The point is that any MP regardless of which party they belong to,  who voted against the Withdrawal Agreement on the third time of asking shouldn't object to our country leaving the EU without a deal.  

Why not the first time or second time? I seem to recall a certain Boris Johnson actively campaigning against the agreement.

 

And again - it's up to Tory MP's to support their PM - not opposition parties.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Longcol

[Lockdoctor 10]

2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Why not the first time or second time? I seem to recall a certain Boris Johnson actively campaigning against the agreement.

 

And again - it's up to Tory MP's to support their PM - not opposition parties.

Because  many  MPs  voted against the Withdrawal Agreement on the first and second time because they hoped for an improved deal.  Boris was never happy with the Backstop which is the main reason he didn't support it the first time and second time.  Boris decided to reluctantly support the agreement on the third time of asking.

 

Tory MPs and the DUP voted against the agreement for honest reasons which can't be said about the Labour MPs who voted against the Withdrawal Agreement  on the third time of asking.

 

[Pettytom 1]

14 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The point is that any MP regardless of which party they belong to,  who voted against the Withdrawal Agreement on the third time of asking shouldn't object to our country leaving the EU without a deal.  

You have a very peculiar view of democracy.

 

It isn’t the case that all of our elected representatives have to agree with you.

[Lockdoctor 10]

6 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You have a very peculiar view of democracy.

 

It isn’t the case that all of our elected representatives have to agree with you.

Our MPs shouldn't practice backsliding.  Our MPs overwhelmingly voted to trigger Article 50 making a no-deal the default legal position.  The way to prevent a no-deal was to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement on offer from the EU.  Our country should have left the EU without a deal on 29th March.