The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[L00b 441]

The EU have no intention of giving this country an deal.

The EU have no intention of bending their fundamentals for the sake of the U.K.

 

The EU has offered a whole swathe of deals to the U.K., from Norway to less than Canada with variations in-between, all of them respecting the U.K.’s vote and position, and -unsurprisingly- the EU’s own rules.

 

It’s hardly the EU’s fault, that the U.K. doesn’t want any of them.

[mafya 259]

What if Leave won the 2nd vote, what margin would be acceptable to the remainers?

 

60:40, 66:34, 70:30, 80:20 or 99:1 ?

 

If that happened then remain would be asking for a 3rd vote.......

[Magilla 510]

The EU have no intention of giving this country an deal.

 

The EU have no intention of giving the UK all of the benefits of membership with none of the responsibilities of membership.

 

The EU have offered lots of deals that are compatible with our soon to be third-country status, similar/identical deals to the many other third-countries that the EU trades with.

 

The UK has rejected them, we're asking for something the EU won't give because those things come with membership. Hence "Cake and eat it".

 

The EU has been entirely consistant on this matter since before the referendum.

 

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The EU has offered a whole swathe of deals to the U.K., from Norway to less than Canada with variations in-between, all of them respecting the U.K.’s vote and position, and -unsurprisingly- the EU’s own rules.

 

It’s hardly the EU’s fault, that the U.K. doesn’t want any of them.

 

Quite so, there's a well worn phrase that covers it... something about "cake"

 

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It does seem Mrs May was setup and the comments by the French President were a disgrace.

 

The truth really is the Brexiteers kryptonite

Edited September 21, 2018 by Magilla

[Lockdoctor 10]

No. Everything he said was perfectly true and is something that has needed to be said for a very long time.

 

The UK, well, the Brexiters are behaving like spoilt children. They've just been spanked in public as is befitting and the first thing they do is cry about it. Perhaps learning from it would be a better way forward.

The UK EU referendum campaign and fallout has nothing to do with the French President. Calling people liars is hardly diplomatic language.

 

The Brexiters as you call them are not behaving like spoilt children because they seem happy enough for the UK to leave the EU without a deal. Those who continue to behave like spoilt children are those calling for another EU referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted in 2016.

[Magilla 510]

The UK EU referendum campaign and fallout has nothing to do with the French President. Calling people liars is hardly diplomatic language.

 

I think you'll find it is, it's called "a frank exchange of views"

 

The Brexiters as you call them are not behaving like spoilt children because they seem happy enough for the UK to leave the EU without a deal.

 

Nope, given the choice of "no-deal" or staying/compromising on SM/CU/ECJ, most leavers would rather the latter, as shown in countless polls since the referedum, and exit polls on the day.

 

Your assumption doesn't reflect the reality of then, or now

 

Those who continue to behave like spoilt children are those calling for another EU referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted in 2016.

 

Unfortunately, those harping on about democracy also forget that that is not the result the vast majority want today....

 

People wanting a second vote now outweigh those than don't by a larger margin than the referendum result.

 

More democracy does not subvert democracy

[ads36 223]

The UK EU referendum campaign and fallout has nothing to do with the French President. Calling people liars is hardly diplomatic language.

 

it's true though.

 

£350million/week for the NHS : that's a lie.

 

"easiest trade deal in history" : that's a lie.

 

"Turkey will be joining the EU" : that's a lie

 

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" : that's a lie

 

etc. etc. etc.

 

and all that after 40 years of anti-EU lies and whining in our press.

 

we all know the kind of thing: 'there's 21,000 pages of bureaucracy governing the sale of cabbage', it's all lies.

[Flexo 10]

"We can have our cake and eat it" : that's a lie.

[melthebell 876]

it's true though.

 

£350million/week for the NHS : that's a lie.

 

"easiest trade deal in history" : that's a lie.

 

"Turkey will be joining the EU" : that's a lie

 

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" : that's a lie

 

etc. etc. etc.

 

and all that after 40 years of anti-EU lies and whining in our press.

 

we all know the kind of thing: 'there's 21,000 pages of bureaucracy governing the sale of cabbage', it's all lies.

The EU is bullying us : thats a lie too

[Padders 2,926]

I voted leave, fooled hook line and sinker, wish I could have another vote, or is that undemocratic.

[Obelix 11]

I voted leave, fooled hook line and sinker, wish I could have another vote, or is that undemocratic.

 

No its not, and it's a honest thing to admit to it. I salute your candour.

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

I voted leave, fooled hook line and sinker, wish I could have another vote, or is that undemocratic.

Hmmm...

 

... if you're that easily fooled then maybe you shouldn't have been allowed a vote in the first place?

[Lockdoctor 10]

it's true though.

 

£350million/week for the NHS : that's a lie.

 

"easiest trade deal in history" : that's a lie.

 

"Turkey will be joining the EU" : that's a lie

 

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" : that's a lie

 

etc. etc. etc.

 

and all that after 40 years of anti-EU lies and whining in our press.

 

we all know the kind of thing: 'there's 21,000 pages of bureaucracy governing the sale of cabbage', it's all lies.

Raking up old arguments helps no one. The NHS £350 million was fully discussed before the vote. There is a difference between a lie and things not turning out as hoped. The fact is both campaigns were poor and allegations of lies can be labelled on the remain campaign as well as the leave campaign, if you wish to go down that route.

 

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Hmmm...

 

... if you're that easily fooled then maybe you shouldn't have been allowed a vote in the first place?

Exactly, the logical way forward is to have a dictatorship to prevent voters being fooled in the future.