Junior Doctors row: 98% vote to strike

[foxy lady]

Feel free to use google yourself of course.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html

 

But the pension age for doctors is 60 and has been for decades.

[JFKvsNixon]

But the pension age for doctors is 60 and has been for decades.

 

Is the NHS pension was based upon time in service?

[woodmally]

Get ready for the people saying only 76% took part, so surely it's really only 74.5% that were in support. Still considerably higher than any government since WW2 has got in a general election which stands at 49%.

 

I do partially think what the Government is offering has been misrepresented, but they still didn't listen to these doctors and try to find middle ground. They just kept on with the same tired argument over and over so now here we are. I feel for anyone having to attend hospital over the next few weeks, and just as sorry for the doctors and nurses who have been forced into this position.

 

This is a clear mandate by all accounts. Often on here I get wound up by people striking at the top of a hat (tube drivers and bus drivers are the usual suspects). However this is a genuine grievance that needs resolving so I fully support this one. It even fits with the tories new rules that makes unions and striking more democratic which I also support.

[tinfoilhat]

This is a clear mandate by all accounts. Often on here I get wound up by people striking at the top of a hat (tube drivers and bus drivers are the usual suspects). However this is a genuine grievance that needs resolving so I fully support this one. It even fits with the tories new rules that makes unions and striking more democratic which I also support.

 

Yeah, I agree with all of that.

[sgtkate]

This is a clear mandate by all accounts. Often on here I get wound up by people striking at the top of a hat (tube drivers and bus drivers are the usual suspects). However this is a genuine grievance that needs resolving so I fully support this one. It even fits with the tories new rules that makes unions and striking more democratic which I also support.

 

Indeed. Doctors are hardly likely to put patients at risk of more suffering if this was simply about a few quid. That's the part the government doesn't seem to understand. Obviously comment would be that the Tories only understand money so they assume everyone does the same...The doctors have aired genuine concerns about long hours affecting patient care, about being exploited by hospitals who are having their budgets cut to cover for more senior staff to save money and so on. This isn't simply about paying them more, it directly about the safety of patients.

 

I saw an analysis that showed just as many patients died on a Friday as on a weekend, and it was argued quite comprehensively that the main reason for this was burn out of staff who had often already done a 70 hour week and were more prone to errors, and not linked to a lack of specialists in hospitals at weekends. I'll see if I can find it to link to. Best I can find is this, which is about elective surgery at certain days of the week, and it's not an easy read:

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2424

Edited November 19, 2015 by sgtkate

[aliceBB]

For the avoidance of confusion, in claiming that he is offering junior doctors an 11% pay rise, Hunt is conveniently omitting to mention that the changes in the way shifts are paid means that most doctors will actually suffer a 20-30% pay cut compared with their current renumeration for the same hours.

 

Doctors want a 7 days a week NHS as much as the rest of us, but not at the cost of patient safety or doctors working for nothing. The last year has seen the largest exodus ever from the NHS by doctors and nurses facing intolerable pressures - many of them are heading for Australia or New Zealand or the USA, where salaries are higher and the work-life balance much more sane.

 

Who can blame them? The government's attitude towards them is disgraceful. Hunt needs to go.

[Penistone999]

This is a clear mandate by all accounts. Often on here I get wound up by people striking at the top of a hat (tube drivers and bus drivers are the usual suspects). However this is a genuine grievance that needs resolving so I fully support this one. It even fits with the tories new rules that makes unions and striking more democratic which I also support.

 

 

We can afford to waste millions of pounds EVERY DAY on membership of the EU circus and we can afford to waste hundreds of millions every year on overseas aid , but we cant afford to employ more doctors so existing ones dont have to work 70 hrs a week .

 

Me thinks we have our priorities wrong .

[JFKvsNixon]

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this decision by Hunt has been taken in a desperate attempt to save money, it is based upon ideology. We already spend less than other comparable countries on our healthcare, so there is scope to reorganise government spending without crippling the nations economy. If there was the desire to.

[El Cid]

I was listening to radio four, a doctors representative was speaking and she said that more people die on a Wednesday.

I have googled, but there are conflicting stories.

She also said that the doctors were not seeking a pay rise; so how has Jeremy Hunt got himself into this fiasco.

[999tigger]

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this decision by Hunt has been taken in a desperate attempt to save money, it is based upon ideology. We already spend less than other comparable countries on our healthcare, so there is scope to reorganise government spending without crippling the nations economy. If there was the desire to.

 

This is correct. Hunt wants to modernise the NHS by changing soem of the working practices. Ideologically they want to go for this weekened opening. Where he's gpt their backs up is threatening to impose the contract on them.