Rotherham Children sexually exploited

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Please post within forum rules. We will not allow racism or abuse nor will we tolerate bickering and dragging the subject off topic. The children that were abused deserve better than to be used as political tools by the members of this forum.

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Please post within forum rules. We will not allow racism or abuse nor will we tolerate bickering and dragging the subject off topic. The children that were abused deserve better than to be used as political tools by the members of this forum.

 

Fair enough about no bickering etc, but its difficult to keep politics out of this discussion. In my view, this was caused in no small part by the Blair governments statistics and targets culture.

[Suffragette1 10]

This is an appalling case and it is important not to get too focussed on the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Whilst it may have been a factor in the relevant agencies' response or rather lack thereof, in the interest of 'political expediency', which also applies to the past/current Westminster et al child abuse cover-ups, what I can state unequivocally is that sexual violence against girls and child sexual abuse is pandemic and crosses all cultures and all classes.

 

The police and other agencies refused to believe these girls because of structural and instiutional misogyny and classism, they were regarded and treated with contempt as 'slags'. This is ultimate root of the problem here and there have been similar if not identical responses across the country whether the perpetrator is of Pakistani descent, white English, a priest, a teacher, a politician, a celebrity etc.

 

This is what has to change - the culture if disbelief and the default position that girls and women are liars and frequently lie about rape and sexual abuse and/or that some victims are more deserving that others and if you happen to live in the 'wrong' part of town or talk in a strong regional accent then you're somehow not a deserving victim. If anyone on this thread has ever called a girl and/or woman a 'slag', accused her of lying or 'asking for it' then you are part of the problem.

 

Shaun Wright should definitely stand down and it's an absolute disgrace that he hasn't.

 

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Here are some good pieces about this case: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/poor-children-seen-as-worthless-rotherham-abuse-scandal

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/race-rotherham-abuse-scandal-pakistani-community?CMP=twt_gu

 

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I don't believe the ethnicity of the victims was important, the common feature was their vulnerability-so I don't think the daughters of Muslim doctors and solicitors would have been ignored any more than the daughters of white doctors and solicitors.

 

Girls from these communities are being sexually abused, raped and exploited but it is even more hidden, the reason being that the social stigma attached to them is even greater. Families have had to leave their communities where they have disclosed, the girls have been deemed 'umarriageable' and so on which is why we hear so little about the sexual abuse/rape and exploitation of BME girls. It is happening and it was pinpointed in the report. There was also another very detailed report published last year on the extent of this.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir

 

http://www.mwnuk.co.uk//go_files/resources/UnheardVoices.pdf

Edited September 1, 2014 by Suffragette1

[cardoor 10]

Again, it wasn't sensitivity about the ethnicity of the abusers, it was apathy, and the race card was a convenient smoke screen to hide that apathy behind, and to absolve the authorities of their appalling failures.

 

To me, it's not so much the abusers who held no value to these girls, (even though there is no doubt at all that the girls were the victims) the authorities were also guilty of the devaluation of the girls, through their utter inaction, when the abuses were disclosed.

 

If it was 1400 Pakistani / Muslim children sexually abused, groomed and raped primarily by white English men would it be a race issue?

 

And reports referenced that those in authority were actually told to downplay the matter because of the fear of racism allegations?

[Suffragette1 10]

If it was 1400 Pakistani / Muslim children sexually abused, groomed and raped primarily by white English men would it be a race issue?

 

And reports referenced that those in authority were actually told to downplay the matter because of the fear of racism allegations?

 

White men are grooming, raping and trafficking boys and girls all over the country, of all races. Except people refuse to believe it, just like people refused to believe that girls were being raped, abused and trafficked in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and so on.

 

As I have said, anyone on here who refuses to believe what activists, feminists and front line service workers have been saying for years, is part of the problem. Julie Bindel wrote about this 10 years ago, she was accused of being an extreme manhating loon.

 

http://t.co/JfvOMCsiGp

 

And from the Sunday Times 2005, on Julie's blog as the ST is behind the paywall: http://www.juliebindel.org/?p=76

 

Perhaps people will listen to us in future? I won't hold my breath.

[Mister M 1,626]

If it was 1400 Pakistani / Muslim children sexually abused, groomed and raped primarily by white English men would it be a race issue?

And reports referenced that those in authority were actually told to downplay the matter because of the fear of racism allegations?

 

Like in Thailand where men from Northern European countries travel there in their thousands to have sex with Thai children?

I'm not trying to be flippant, but it is already happening, so it isn't a 'what if' question.

That some of the officials feared racism allegations, or that the children were seen as 'difficult' are not excuses for inaction.

[Suffragette1 10]

Like in Thailand where men from Northern European countries travel there in their thousands to have sex with Thai children?

I'm not trying to be flippant, but it is already happening, so it isn't a 'what if' question.

That some of the officials feared racism allegations, or that the children were seen as 'difficult' are not excuses for inaction.

 

Othering child rapists, as some are wont to do, just serves to let those falling outside the group they are othering and seeking to demonise, rape and abuse children with impunity.

 

All institutions/groups have been known to close ranks when there are rapists and abusers amongst them.

 

It is utterly inexcusable and reprehensible that the agencies who should have protected these children put their own interests first, disbelieved the girls in question and in some cases, treated them like criminals rather than their abusers.

[green 10]

Toby Fosters show is worth listening to from 2:32.00 in this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0253s45

[Dannyno 19]

If it was 1400 Pakistani / Muslim children sexually abused, groomed and raped primarily by white English men would it be a race issue?

 

And reports referenced that those in authority were actually told to downplay the matter because of the fear of racism allegations?

 

Read the report.

 

Ethnicity was downplayed, and that had consequences for understanding the extent of the issue and being able to challenge complacency and taboos, but it wasn't fear of being accused of racism that led to the problem not being addressed properly. What led to the problem not being addressed is under-resourcing, disbelief in the scale of the problem, police priorities, inter-agency jealousies, sexism and incompetence. That's what the report says.

 

The report is clear that the problem was identified and drawn to the attention of the authorities, repeatedly and clearly and unambiguously. Fear of racism accusations did not prevent the "Risky Business" agency from trying to get the authorities to take the issue seriously. It wasn't fear of racism allegations that led police officers to treat the girls being abused as willing participants in underage prostitution or to overlook the fact that this was in any case illegal.

[Suffragette1 10]

Revealed: How fear of being seen as racist stopped social workers saving up to 1,400 children from sexual exploitation at the hands of Asian men in just ONE TOWN

 

Report found 1,400 children abused between 1997 and 2013 in Rotherham

The figure is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale

Victims terrorised with guns and doused in petrol and threatened with fire

More than a third of the cases were already know to agencies

Author of the report condemned 'blatant' failings by council's leadership

Action blocked by political correctness as staff 'feared appearing racist'

Majority of victims described the perpetrators as 'Asian' men

Leader of Rotherham Council has stepped down with immediate effect

No council employees will receive disciplinary action, leaders state

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16-year-period-report-reveals.html#ixzz3BVnbCLMO

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Hurray multiculturalism

 

From the DM?!!

 

From the actual report itself:

 

Pakistani-heritage Women and Girls

11.14 One of the local Pakistani women's groups described how Pakistani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates at dinner times and after school. They also cited cases in Rotherham where Pakistani landlords had befriended Pakistani women and girls on their own for purposes of sex, then passed on their name to other men who had then contacted them for sex. The women and girls feared reporting such incidents to the Police because it would affect their future marriage prospects.

 

11.15 The UK Muslim Women's Network produced a report on CSE [linked to in above post] in September 2013 which drew on 35 case studies of women from across the UK who were victims, the majority of whom were Muslim. It highlighted that Asian girls were being sexually exploited where authorities were failing to identify or support them. They were most vulnerable to men from their own communities who manipulated cultural norms to prevent them from reporting their abuse. It described how this abuse was being carried out. 'Offending behaviour mostly involved men operating in groups . . . The victim was being passed around and prostituted amongst many other men. Our research also showed that complex grooming ‘hierarchies’ were at play. The physical abuse included oral, anal and vaginal rape; role play; insertion of objects into the vagina; severe beatings; burning with cigarettes; tying down; enacting rape that included ripping clothes off and sexual activity over the webcam.' This description mirrors the abuse committed by Pakistani-heritage perpetrators on white girls in Rotherham.

 

11.16 The Deputy Children's Commissioner’s report reached a similar conclusion to the Muslim Women's Network research, stating 'one of these myths was that only white girls are victims of sexual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white females. This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily accessible.' The Home Affairs Select Committee quoted witnesses saying that cases of Asian men grooming Asian girls did not come to light because victims 'are often alienated and ostracised by their own families and by the whole community, if they go public with allegations of abuse.'

 

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And still the heads continue to remain in the sand.

 

A trafficking and abuse ring of this magnitude organised and propelled by white Christians has yet to come to light.

The fact that vulnerable white female children were preyed upon and targeted does say something about the perpetrators. I'm sorry it hurts - but nowhere near as sorry as I am knowing the devastation and destroyed lives left in it's wake.

 

Nobody is downplaying organised paedophilia or minimising any other child abuse but this is a specific issue a specific case with specific stock ingredients so stop with the avoidance try embracing it and actually that might bring a more positive change

 

The operative word here being 'yet'. Again, people refuse to believe this, but there is organised ritual abuse by powerful white men who rape, murder, sacrifice, abuse, torture, traffic and make child abuse material and so called 'snuff' movies. Many people are trying to expose this, whether it will ever come out is anyone's guess.

[ApplesPears 10]

A trafficking and abuse ring of this magnitude organised and propelled by white Christians has yet to come to light.

 

there is organised ritual abuse by powerful white men who rape, murder, sacrifice, abuse, torture, traffic and make child abuse material and so called 'snuff' movies.

 

Of course huge abuse rings organised by white Christians have come to light but people choose to ignore them because they don't fit into their biased and stereotyped narrative.

 

"World's largest paedophile ring uncovered"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12762333

 

"More than 100 Brits involved in massive international paedophile ring"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540409/More-100-Brits-believed-involved-massive-international-paedophile-gang-streamed-live-child-abuse-Philippines.html

[Chazndave 10]

It wont just be Rotherham, it will be Sheffield and other areas when this is all finished!