Ordinary people should know their place!

[Tradescanthia]

He is referring to the young woman who refused to work unpaid in Poundland.

 

However she did not refuse to work there because she thought it was beneath her, (indeed she has since worked in a supermarket,) but because she already had an unpaid job in a museum more in keeping with her university specialism of geology, and she hoped with prospects of becoming a proper job.

 

Once again IDS is just trying to stir up the plebs to turn on each other by not giving the whole story.

 

IDS is a horrible individual, he seems to hate the unemployed, the disabled, the pensioners, in fact anyone who needs a helping hand. He is just one more of Camerons army of 'Detestables', a group of individuals who claim to be capable of running a country but in reality are capable of little else exept doing as Feuhrer Cameron tells them. What the hell would IDS do if the Torys threw him out ?? He isn't capable of doing anything else. The only proper job he ever had was for his father-in-law. He has an undistinguished military record as well.

The Sun readers and a lot of SF members fall for his lies.............as would most right wing 'plebs'.

[I1L2T3]

Not well thought out comments by IDS. And indicative of the lack of joined-up policy across departments.

 

He denigrates the value of higher education while his party implements a trebling of tuition fees. People still aspire to go to uni for valid reasons other people have explained on this thread. IDS is telling them that their £40k+ of student debt and a potential lifetime of paying it off still makes them little better than somebody who stacks shelves in return for JSA.

 

IDS may well see higher education as a privilege to be paid for but the point is that there are universities up and down the land desperate for students. And if the students don't go through the doors then the universities start to fail and whole towns and cities dependent on the student economy start to fail too, unless of course you open the floodgates for foreign students to make up the numbers. But then that increases immigration which would be at odds with policy in other government departments.

 

He needs to realise that the work programme is out of control and needs to get back to basics. It should be there to provide opportunities for people who genuinely need to get work experience. And that experience should be like proper work (with pay) otherwise what is the point?

[wednesday1]

IDS is a horrible individual, he seems to hate the unemployed, the disabled, the pensioners, in fact anyone who needs a helping hand. He is just one more of Camerons army of 'Detestables', a group of individuals who claim to be capable of running a country but in reality are capable of little else exept doing as Feuhrer Cameron tells them. What the hell would IDS do if the Torys threw him out ?? He isn't capable of doing anything else. The only proper job he ever had was for his father-in-law. He has an undistinguished military record as well.

The Sun readers and a lot of SF members fall for his lies.............as would most right wing 'plebs'.

 

 

I'm sure serapis, AndyGardner and Smithy will be along in due course!

 

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You also had a roof over your head.

 

 

Well said Phil, 'tis great that you are back!

[andygardener]

Not well thought out comments by IDS. And indicative of the lack of joined-up policy across departments.

 

He denigrates the value of higher education while his party implements a trebling of tuition fees. People still aspire to go to uni for valid reasons other people have explained on this thread. IDS is telling them that their £40k+ of student debt and a potential lifetime of paying it off still makes them little better than somebody who stacks shelves in return for JSA.

 

IDS may well see higher education as a privilege to be paid for but the point is that there are universities up and down the land desperate for students. And if the students don't go through the doors then the universities start to fail and whole towns and cities dependent on the student economy start to fail too, unless of course you open the floodgates for foreign students to make up the numbers. But then that increases immigration which would be at odds with policy in other government departments.

 

He needs to realise that the work programme is out of control and needs to get back to basics. It should be there to provide opportunities for people who genuinely need to get work experience. And that experience should be like proper work (with pay) otherwise what is the point?

 

Or perhaps he realises the Nu Labour policy of turning carpetworld into a uni and demanding 50% of people go to "university" has failed and that lots of "graduates" under labours regime are under qualified to stack shelves?

[gnvqsos]

Or perhaps he realises the Nu Labour policy of turning carpetworld into a uni and demanding 50% of people go to "university" has failed and that lots of "graduates" under labours regime are under qualified to stack shelves?

 

The 50% figure was an aspiration and was picked arbitrarily.There are many graduates but making a graduate stack shelves on the grounds of enhancing their employability is pathetic.It was an act of spite and likely to drive people overseas for work.I have yet to see anyone apologise for this fiasco.Is ISD now a communicable disease?

[I1L2T3]

Or perhaps he realises the Nu Labour policy of turning carpetworld into a uni and demanding 50% of people go to "university" has failed and that lots of "graduates" under labours regime are under qualified to stack shelves?

 

Let's assume a more sensible higher education participation target of say 30%.

 

Would that make what IDS said any better?

 

Remember he wasn't commenting on the quality of higher education as a result of higher participation - that was absolutely not why he said what he said. Cait Reilly, the focus of the rant by IDS, is a graduate of a Russell Group university anyway and they are supposed to be amongst the best in the country

[Anna B]

Or perhaps he realises the Nu Labour policy of turning carpetworld into a uni and demanding 50% of people go to "university" has failed and that lots of "graduates" under labours regime are under qualified to stack shelves?

 

The complete shambles that University education has become, is a good example of everything that's gone wrong with this country at present;

Years of **** poor government, lack of forward thinking, self agrandisement and years of short termism. All this is now coming home to roost.

 

How dare these politicians lecture and lie to us. Who do they think they are? Look what they've done. We deserve better.

[Mister M]

IDS and his cronies should be getting angry with themselves, not lashing out at people like the young woman who sucessfully challenged them over their Work Programme.

 

The DWP figures show that the programme is failing with only 3.5% finding work with the Government's programme, compared with over 5% who find work with no help.

 

IDS = worse than useless.

[andygardener]

The complete shambles that University education has become, is a good example of everything that's gone wrong with this country at present;

Years of **** poor government, lack of forward thinking, self agrandisement and years of short termism. All this is now coming home to roost.

 

How dare these politicians lecture and lie to us. Who do they think they are? Look what they've done. We deserve better.

 

Individuals are worth what they are worth. The government(s) have blame for importing foreigners, individuals have blame for not being able to outperform those foreigners.

 

Way forward, get rid of a lot of the foreigners, stop paying a penny for non working people who breed and get back to a decent carry on for British people and those from abroad who actually want to be British.

[Marx]

This government is failing a whole generation. That takes some doing.