Does the bible mention Mohammed (the last prophet of Islam) ?

[Glamrocker 10]

My parents have taken to regular winter holidays in Egypt. They speak very highly of it. Never had any need of a personal guard.

 

Equally, a friend of mine went to Kenya, and he wasn't allowed out without his own escort.

 

Make of that what you will.

I love Egypt and usually there is no trouble ,its when you get into the strict Muslim quarters away from the tourist sections that it becomes a little hairy ,the part I mention was a medium size town on the banks of the Nile,places such as Sharm ,Hurghada etc are OK as is Luxor up to a point again its a bit hairy off the beaten track,as I said the problem was it was prayer time and it seems the locals didnt take kindly to the infidel being around at prayer time.

[PaliRichard 10]

I thought that would be an exercise you wouldnt want to take part in...have a nice day

 

Back somewhat earlier than expected, and most amused to find this is the best you can offer!

 

It's not an exercise I don't want to take part in, it's an exercise I can't take part in, because the Quran doesn't contain

praising of the Jewish religion and examples of the undying love it obviously contains[/Quote]

 

Then again this was never a claim I have made about it.

 

While we're on the subject of claims, you claimed that the Quran said

Jews are regarded as nothing less than animals[/Quote] which you have yet to qualify, what you have done is avoided providing the evidence from the Quran to back this claim up and instead tried to sidestep it with schoolboy diversionary tactics.

[Glamrocker 10]

Back somewhat earlier than expected, and most amused to find this is the best you can offer!

 

It's not an exercise I don't want to take part in, it's an exercise I can't take part in, because the Quran doesn't contain

 

Then again this was never a claim I have made about it.

 

While we're on the subject of claims, you claimed that the Quran said which you have yet to qualify, what you have done is avoided providing the evidence from the Quran to back this claim up and instead tried to sidestep it with schoolboy diversionary tactics.

I believe i covered that sentence ,like I said if thats the best you can do dont try and lecture me ,I give examples ,its up to you to disprove it and the bottom line is you cant...The stage is yours

[Glamrocker 10]

Back somewhat earlier than expected, and most amused to find this is the best you can offer!

 

It's not an exercise I don't want to take part in, it's an exercise I can't take part in, because the Quran doesn't contain

 

Then again this was never a claim I have made about it.

 

While we're on the subject of claims, you claimed that the Quran said which you have yet to qualify, what you have done is avoided providing the evidence from the Quran to back this claim up and instead tried to sidestep it with schoolboy diversionary tactics.

I dont know for sure but judging by your sigs Im guessing you have a affinity with Buddhism..muslims dont seem to enamoured with Buddhists either it seems

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/bangladesh-muslims-attack-buddhists-quran_n_1926544.html

There again they dont seem to like anyone who doesnt recognise "The Religion of Peace"(sic)..do they?

[mafya 259]

I dont know for sure but judging by your sigs Im guessing you have a affinity with Buddhism..muslims dont seem to enamoured with Buddhists either it seems

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/bangladesh-muslims-attack-buddhists-quran_n_1926544.html

There again they dont seem to like anyone who doesnt recognise "The Religion of Peace"(sic)..do they?

 

What about the Rohingya muslims in Burma, my point being that these types of thing's do happen and it is not always muslims doing the attacking but seems that everytime an opportunity to slate muslims comes up people like you quickly jump on it like a rash yet I see no mention of the Rohingya muslims in Burma under attack from the monks.

[PaliRichard 10]

It doesn't speak too highly of Jews either. It calls them "mischief makers", in parts.

 

5.51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

5.52 So you see those in whose hearts is disease hastening into [association with] them, saying, "We are afraid a misfortune may strike us." But perhaps Allah will bring conquest or a decision from Him, and they will become, over what they have been concealing within themselves, regretful.

 

Don't even befriend a Jew. A truly loving God, this one. [/Quote]

 

I agree (you're going to like this, but I also disagree (sorry Chris I can't help it) it isn't however as is sometimes taken from these verses an instruction to hate or kill Jews (I appreciate you personally aren't making this distinction), the context is given earlier, in 5:48 when it says

.....For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ[/Quote]

 

He's not saying 'Jews are bad', he's saying for each of the believers (Jews, Christians, Muslims) there have been laws laid down, strive with (rather than against) each other in living up to these laws that you have been respectively given. For want of a better way of saying it, have yourselves a friendly competition to see who can lavish most praise on me!

 

The instruction not to 'mingle' is given in case those of the other faiths are not living up to the standards they are set (for some reason the Quran seems to think the Jews are particularly bad at upholding these laws), in which case those Muslims not strong in their own faith might be 'knocked off course', this is a teaching that to a lesser or greater extent can be found in most of the worlds religions.

 

This isn't to agree with Glamrocker, that Islam dislikes Jews. In the grand history of the world, Christianity has been the biggest enemy of the Jew. It only took 1940+ years for the Catholic church to clean all Jews of the crime of deicide[/Quote]

 

I'm not interested in the 'this faith is worse to such and such than this faith', all faiths have good and bad elements and it is for each faith to be honest enough to address the negative elements in its own ranks.

 

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One thing I can't get over is Allah persecuting Jews for a message he has already given to them especially.

 

Deuteronomy 14:2

For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be His own treasure out of all peoples that are upon the face of the earth.

 

Yet the Quran then curses them for this.

 

62.6

Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful.

God needs to make his mind up.

 

Absolutely no disagreement whatsoever with that!

[Glamrocker 10]

What about the Rohingya muslims in Burma, my point being that these types of thing's do happen and it is not always muslims doing the attacking but seems that everytime an opportunity to slate muslims comes up people like you quickly jump on it like a rash yet I see no mention of the Rohingya muslims in Burma under attack from the monks.

Agreed its not always Muslims doing the attacking but it is more often than not, they even attack their own on a regular basis

[PaliRichard 10]

I believe i covered that sentence ,like I said if thats the best you can do dont try and lecture me ,I give examples ,its up to you to disprove it and the bottom line is you cant...The stage is yours

 

Your examples, as I have already said, were heavily biased and way out of context, as I have already explained the context of those examples being that Allah is speaking about those Jews specifically who don't uphold their own laws, and the same punishment is prescribed for both Christians and Muslims who are equally as lax it doesn't support your claim that the Quran says 'Jews are regarded as nothing less than animals' and that it is racist towards Jews.

 

Simply pretending this is not the context of the verses doesn't mean that it's not.

 

As the Quran clearly states this is the context and does not once support the interpretation you have given then it is quite clear that it is nothing less than your own prejudice that is attempting to imprint this context onto the text.

 

I can't disprove the examples you have given that the Quran tries to get Muslims to be racist towards the Jews and treat them less than animals because you have yet to show any evidence that it does say this - I am still awaiting the verses that give this message.

[PaliRichard 10]

I dont know for sure but judging by your sigs Im guessing you have a affinity with Buddhism..muslims dont seem to enamoured with Buddhists either it seems

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/bangladesh-muslims-attack-buddhists-quran_n_1926544.html

There again they dont seem to like anyone who doesnt recognise "The Religion of Peace"(sic)..do they?

 

Actually Muslims get on quite well with Buddhists - as I'm currently writing a book about the similarities in the practice of the two faiths (with the support of both communities) I am well aware of the relationship between the two faiths.

 

As Halibut said earlier - there are good and bad in all groups who have many opinions on many different subjects - I'm not naive enough to think the actions of 'some' reflect the thoughts of the many - especially when Islam - that is the texts - allow for other religions to live alongside Muslims.

[Glamrocker 10]

Actually Muslims get on quite well with Buddhists - as I'm currently writing a book about the similarities in the practice of the two faiths (with the support of both communities) I am well aware of the relationship between the two faiths.

 

As Halibut said earlier - there are good and bad in all groups who have many opinions on many different subjects - I'm not naive enough to think the actions of 'some' reflect the thoughts of the many - especially when Islam - that is the texts - allow for other religions to live alongside Muslims.

Really

http://jihadonbuddhists.org/

if thats getting on quite well I would hate to see what really happens if they ever fall out

It seems you as well have fallen into the UK Muslim myth

[PaliRichard 10]

Really

http://jihadonbuddhists.org/

if thats getting on quite well I would hate to see what really happens if they ever fall out

 

I'm aware of that situation, like I said, it's good of you to look at things so one sidedly.

 

Any chance of those texts?

 

Or are we just going to go back and forth with you trying to divert attention all night?

[mort 10]

Back on topic please