RollingJ Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, butlers said: For outdoorsy folk MWIS . Often some literal hair raising reports on there CBA to Google/DuckDuckGo - proper link would be good, and if it produces 'hair-raising' reports - how accurate is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 It's mainly for outdoors folk and the difference up in the hills is amazing https://www.mwis.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, butlers said: It's mainly for outdoors folk and the difference up in the hills is amazing https://www.mwis.org.uk/ Thanks, and fair enough. That is 'high altitude' stuff though, and most intelligent individuals going to such areas are aware of the potential weather conditions. Sadly, there seem to be a lot of 'day-trippers' that expect conditions there to be the same as, say, those in the nearest town/village, many, many, metres lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, butlers said: It's mainly for outdoors folk and the difference up in the hills is amazing https://www.mwis.org.uk/ The Met Office do mountain forecasts too - e.g. Peak District. I occasionally use https://www.yr.no/en too because it gives precipitation in mm rather than the rather vague 'light rain' type descriptions that are common elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said: The only weather source in the UK is the Met Office, For example Crookes weather forecast. Don’t rely on me Annie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 MetCheck and MWIS are both using MetOffice data, MWIS is also using its own weather station which means it's accurate now. There are dozens of other weather forecasters who use Met Office data and forecast and re-format it to make it more useful or to aim it at specialist user. Media pay for different and edit what they receive to fit the space/time slot/location. The MetOffice radar charts show past, current and forecast weather data which enables MetCheck and individuals to create their own forecast. Having lived between coast and mountains for many years the effect of them can create large local variation in wind direction and therefore temperature and moisture content creating local weather pattern pretty unique to those few square milesre that would not be described in a regional forecast. We had our own vocabulary of weather features like 'taste the salt', 'wind wall', 'window in the valley' and famously 'Red sky at night us a sailor's fright and in the morning it's a farmers warning.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Are you 100% sure of your information? I certainly find MetCheck forecasts more accurate than those of the Met Office. Can't be bothered to post the rest of my thoughts, but you do seem to have a fascination for promoting 'the OFFICIAL' source, even though I pointed out earlier that they seem sometimes incapable of actually interpreting the evidence in front of their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, RollingJ said: Are you 100% sure of your information? I certainly find MetCheck forecasts more accurate than those of the Met Office. Can't be bothered to post the rest of my thoughts, but you do seem to have a fascination for promoting 'the OFFICIAL' source, even though I pointed out earlier that they seem sometimes incapable of actually interpreting the evidence in front of their eyes. For a variety of reasons individuals will often find a weather forecast service that they prefer to use. The source of information for forecasting is the same but the usefulness of the interpretation is another matter. For example regional television in Yorkshire has Sheffield in the south west extremity of their map which means we cannot see what is happening in Derbyshire, which for 70% of the time is where the weather is coming from. So these TV weather forecasts will be less useful for us. Another example specific to me is surface temperature. As we live 'high up' knowing the forecast for ice is a priority. It would be impossible for a media outlet to be specific about this for the region except in very general terms. The Met Office provides live and forecasted information for surface temperature and humidity which I can adjust with my local knowledge to inform me of probable ice conditions. Also businesses can buy from some forecasters very specific reports or alerts. MetaCheck uses a range of sources for their data which they then interpret for us, some of this data is from the Met Office as can be seen on their pages and therefore should be very accurate. The Met Office use their own and other data and also provide forecasts. The media buy forecasts from the likes of the Met Office and MetCheck, usually they buy a script, sometimes they interpret again for the benefit of the audience. What they say is therefore third hand and therefore prone greater error. If you are comfortable with MetCheck and it provides you with information in a way that you like-fine, but the accuracy will not be any better than the Met Office which collects, provides and presents far more detailed and updated data. Current MetCheck charts are between 4 and 22 hours old. Current Met office charts are live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 @Annie Bynnol- OK, i accept your general points, but I would still like to know why, when radar information shows clearly that there is a 99.9% chance that an area is highly likely to suffer a major chance of significant rainfall, the Met Office weather app, updated as the specific instance I mentioned earlier was, still showed in its summary for the day, no chance of rain - it was actually showing 'a sunny day' . The radar clearly showed the impending heavy rain approaching, so that should have been reflected in the summary, surely? This has not been an isolated incident, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, RollingJ said: @Annie Bynnol- OK, i accept your general points, but I would still like to know why, when radar information shows clearly that there is a 99.9% chance that an area is highly likely to suffer a major chance of significant rainfall, the Met Office weather app, updated as the specific instance I mentioned earlier was, still showed in its summary for the day, no chance of rain - it was actually showing 'a sunny day' . The radar clearly showed the impending heavy rain approaching, so that should have been reflected in the summary, surely? This has not been an isolated incident, either. I don't know. I don't find the daily summary written hours before particularly useful as it is regional rather than local and like you running the radar map forward is a far better predictor. The Met Office web page never goes down to 0% chance of rain and certainly on the coast and mountains local conditions can bring about very quick and aggressive changes -hence the specialist forecasts and warnings. To be safe you could use two interpretations and keep the radar app working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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