Stop Pandering To The Woke Minority.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Jomie said:

Article by Dame Jenni Murray sums it up - Why is NHS hell-bent on erasing all mention of women?  

 

 

The words ‘woman’ and ‘women’ are being erased for the sake of an extremely tiny minority of the population.  Trans identified women are no doubt perfectly cognisant of the fact that they have ovaries - that’s why some have them surgically removed and/or have to take medication.

 

The advice uses the word ‘woman’ once, on page three. If it can be used there, why not on page one where it would be prominent and clear? Ovarian cancer needs to be caught early if there is to be a chance of successful treatment. This advice is so important that ambiguity is dangerous. Not all women have English as their first language. Not all women will understand what is being said in this advice, and that it applies to them. Note that they don’t say that trans identified men cannot get ovarian cancer. 

 

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[Anna B]

This thread has developed into a discussion about Gender Identity. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't call it about 'woke.' 

 

Woke has become almost a term of abuse, but in fact all it means is 'aware.'

 

The media love hyping up the term woke, to cause outrage/ absurdities/ and to sell newspapers. 

 

Nothing wrong with being woke in the true sense of the word. 

[melthebell]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

This thread has developed into a discussion about Gender Identity. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't call it about 'woke.' 

 

Woke has become almost a term of abuse, but in fact all it means is 'aware.'

 

The media love hyping up the term woke, to cause outrage/ absurdities/ and to sell newspapers. 

 

Nothing wrong with being woke in the true sense of the word. 

im glad somebody else has picked up on the term woke, as soon as its mentioned i stop reading, its a term made up by right wingers, exactly for that reason, a soundbite, for derision, abuse, to divide

[harvey19]

To me Woke has come to mean giving minorities priority over the majority.

I am sure most groups of  people who are now highlighted in the media and other places would just like to get on with their lives quietly.

So who is doing all the shouting ?

Could it be pressure groups whose funding depends on their active sensational proclamations and demands.

Or groups who want to be offended so they have a cause to fight for.

[Anna B]

4 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

To me Woke has come to mean giving minorities priority over the majority.

I am sure most groups of  people who are now highlighted in the media and other places would just like to get on with their lives quietly.

So who is doing all the shouting ?

Could it be pressure groups whose funding depends on their active sensational proclamations and demands.

Or groups who want to be offended so they have a cause to fight for.

A few people, but it is amplified many times by the media to give perfectly sane and sensible causes the aura of fanaticism, which turns people against them. 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, melthebell said:

... its a term made up by right wingers, exactly for that reason, a soundbite, for derision, abuse, to divide

It originated in the African American community and then gained popularity with the progressive left.  It was certainly adopted by (not just) right wingers and used as a middling pejorative. 

 

I quite like it occasionally, particularly to describe some of the more silly excesses of the hyperprogressive left; as in: Twitter is full of self-righteous, mansplaining woke beards like Billy Bragg.

[melthebell]

3 minutes ago, Hecate said:

It originated in the African American community and then gained popularity with the progressive left.  It was certainly adopted by (not just) right wingers and used as a middling pejorative. 

 

I quite like it occasionally, particularly to describe some of the more silly excesses of the hyperprogressive left; as in: Twitter is full of self-righteous, mansplaining woke beards like Billy Bragg.

It may be created from others but its certainly been adopted by the right in more recent years and used as a term of abuse for anybody that stands up for any civilised empathy for anybody "different"

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

It may be created from others but its certainly been adopted by the right in more recent years and used as a term of abuse for anybody that stands up for any civilised empathy for anybody "different"

Agreed.  Good to reclaim these things though and knock back their power to offend.  I quite like 'witch', myself.  Or 'hag', if you know me well.  And I will fight for my right to call Billy Bragg a mansplaining woke beard.  (Still like your music, Billy xxx).

[MJ01]

If we go back to the original post, woke appears to mean 'someone who reads things fully before commenting'

[RollingJ]

2 minutes ago, LovePotion said:

The police, nurses and security guards need to be trained not to be racist towards black people. Employers need to know not to discriminate against black people and give everyone an equal opportunity. That is what people should be focussing on.

 

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A number of police, an even larger number of the medical profession and many security guards are not 'white', so that is a very sweeping inaccurate statement. I agree jobs should be given on merit, but 'equal opportunity' should mean just that, without the 'positive discrimination' angle.