Buses - Are We Jealous Sheffield?

[E-Man Groovin 27]

 

[ECCOnoob 1,053]

Not particularly.

 

For most regular bus users there are multitude of travel passes available for unlimited daily or weekly use where the equivalent single fare will break down much less than that.

 

Even for casual users, First Bus for example have one day tickets for unlimited day travel at £4.70. Breaking that down, I doubt the even the most expensive one-way ticket in Sheffield or South Yorkshire areas will be much more than £2, even if they are, that's up to peoples choice whether they want to pay the rack rate or go for some sort of other option.

 

Just seems a load of Burnham showboating to me.  Load of Fanfare for not a lot of results. Look at me... look at me... we are just like London with our capped fares. The man is deluded and seems to think he's Mayor of London or worse a faux Prime Minister making real important decisions.

Edited March 14, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[geared 321]

So if the fares are capped so low what happens when expenditure exceeds income?

 

Taxpayer subsidy I assume?

[alchresearch 215]

Burnham lives in a fantasy land.  He beloved pollution charging scheme has flopped.

 

And lest we forget where his loyalties lie, especially when he talks about Hillsborough.

 

[driver151 27]

20 hours ago, geared said:

So if the fares are capped so low what happens when expenditure exceeds income?

 

Taxpayer subsidy I assume?

well with the amount of posts demanding that buses where back in public control in lots of posts on SF, the tax payer is the owner and pays for it, cant have it both ways,

[Andy C 86]

The Manchester system is going to require a hell of a lot of taxpayer subsidy, hopefully that is forthcoming and it all works out good for them. 

 

Here in Sheffield I would again point out that

- commuting is not expensive, for example a 28 day CityWide pass offering unlimited bus and tram travel in the city costing £69 works out at £2.46 a day (people pay more than that for a cup of coffee!)

- most service cuts have been due to a combination of public funding cutbacks and lack of fare paying passengers

- most reliability issues are due to traffic congestion where the council haven't provided adequate bus priority measures 

- most bus services in Sheffield do not make money and First South Yorkshire bus company has not made a profit in over 10 years.

[Jeffrey Shaw 93]

4 hours ago, driver151 said:

the tax payer is the owner and pays for it

Nope. All SY buses are run by private companies and they have been for some decades.

[cgksheff 44]

10 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Nope. All SY buses are run by private companies and they have been for some decades.

Which is something we all know. The poster was responding to a "whatif" question in their own way.

[Jeffrey Shaw 93]

What is happening in GM is not public ownership but public control and diktat.

And we do know what epithet applies to 'power without responsibility'...

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

9 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

What is happening in GM is not public ownership but public control and diktat.

And we do know what epithet applies to 'power without responsibility'...

Hmmm...

Is it a 3 letter initialism beginning with 'S' and ending in 'C'?

 

[Guest busdriver1]

The tendering process when it begins will be worth watching. The ability to tender for some of the larger routes in Manchester will require large resources from the operators as I will bet he will specify zero emissions vehicles that cost a lot more to buy and if electric is chosen there will be a need for extra buses to cover charging times through the day so the bills are going to mount up before a bus turns a wheel in service. Given the probable outlay many smaller operators may not be able to tender for routes without heavy borrowing so may choose not to do so. I will predict that the major groups will submit pretty high tenders in order to maintain a reasonable profit margin so Mr Burnhams pot of gold could run dry fairly quickly. Interesting times ahead and I for one will be watching the late night and socially desirable services carefully as I can see some of them becoming victims of this "progress". Time will tell.

[driver151 27]

50 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Nope. All SY buses are run by private companies and they have been for some decades.

Talking about if people want it back in public hands, I know there private companies as I work for one of them for last 15 years

Edited March 15, 2022 by driver151