Ukraine: Invasion Imminent?

[trastrick 866]

12 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.

That's the way it works.

 

Already the "purges" are happening to those folks who do not agree with Zelensky's scorched earth policies, egged on by the West. He is threatenening more.

 

Looks like not all Ukrainians share Zelensky's  and the West's scorched eath policies.

 

Trouble in't mill?

 

The Hill

 

Zelensky: Two Ukrainian generals dismissed for being ‘traitors’

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3256034-zelensky-two-ukrainian-generals-dismissed-for-being-traitors/

Edited April 1, 2022 by trastrick

[Magilla 510]

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

Ruble becomes best-performing currency in March - Business ...

https://www.business-standard.com › ... › News › Markets

Always worth checking when you fail to produce a link, because the story rarely matches your misrepresentation of the narrative.

 

An actual link:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/ruble-becomes-best-performing-currency-in-march-soars-to-83-to-the-dollar-122032901631_1.html

 

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

"3 days ago — The ruble has recouped most of its losses and become the top-performing currency globally. It  continues to gain and is up 60 per cent ..."

"The biggest jump in the ruble occurred when the Russian president announced that unfriendly countries would have to pay in rubles for Russian gas."

 

Pretty significant fact you failed to mention... could be a very temporary situation

 

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

The "narrative" that sanctions are hurting Russia more than the Fossil Fuel dependent West, is misinformation

Predictions of GDP losses between 15 and 35% by years end.

 

Which western nation is looking at contractions like that this year?

 

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

and is probably leading some Ukrainians to believe they are actually winning this war against their nuclear armed neighbor, with tragic results on the civilian population.

Sure, we all know you'd just roll over...

 

...but maybe Ukrainians value their freedom and right to self determination even if you don't.

 

[Waldo 96]

So you advocate for Ukraine to be a subjugated vassal state of Russia, regardless of if the Ukrainians themselves want that or not?

 

[Magilla 510]

13 minutes ago, trastrick said:

That's the way it works.

 

Already the "purges" are happening to those folks who do not agree with Zelensky's scorched earth policies, egged on by the West. He is threatenening more.

 

Looks like not all Ukrainians share Zelensky's  and the West's scorched eath policies.

 

Trouble in't mill?

Jesus, what a load of retarded guff, does Russia need another Lord Haw Haw?

 

13 minutes ago, trastrick said:

The Hill

 

Zelensky: Two Ukrainian generals dismissed for being ‘traitors’

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3256034-zelensky-two-ukrainian-generals-dismissed-for-being-traitors/

Which highlights just how ridiculous your narrative is. You really are full of it.

[Jim117 72]

The stats seem to indicate that broadly speaking the younger and more tech savvy Russians are more likely to be anti war than their elders who are getting their info from state TV. I wonder if the situation is a bit more nuanced in that the elder generation remember the Soviet era and the likelihood of a midnight visit from the KGB in response to any dissent. Now the jackboots have returned it might be a case of some of the oldies keeping their heads down and “supporting “ the party line as it were.

[trastrick 866]

51 minutes ago, Waldo said:

So you advocate for Ukraine to be a subjugated vassal state of Russia, regardless of if the Ukrainians themselves want that or not?

 

Not at all.

 

I'm just against the warmongers that cheer them on from their sofas in front of the telly, and convince them they can win, if they fight to the death!

 

That war is LOST!

 

It was lost when the West allowed to Russians to take Ukrainian Crimea, and then allowed the Russians to buy up London mansions (and Toronto mansions) and local football teams, and finance them by becoming dependent on their Oil and Gas.

[trastrick 866]

1 hour ago, Magilla said:

Always worth checking when you fail to produce a link, because the story rarely matches your misrepresentation of the narrative.

 

An actual link:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/ruble-becomes-best-performing-currency-in-march-soars-to-83-to-the-dollar-122032901631_1.html

 

"The biggest jump in the ruble occurred when the Russian president announced that unfriendly countries would have to pay in rubles for Russian gas."

 

Pretty significant fact you failed to mention... could be a very temporary situation

 

Predictions of GDP losses between 15 and 35% by years end.

 

Which western nation is looking at contractions like that this year?

 

Sure, we all know you'd just roll over...

 

...but maybe Ukrainians value their freedom and right to self determination even if you don't.

 

No.

 

It's the West that is rolling over.

 

They will not give up their dependency on Russian Fossil Fuels,  They are the ones finacing Putin's adventurism.

 

See:

 

Why Europe Can't Shut Off Russian Gas - The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2022/02 › why...

 

I don't see you volunteering to go over there, or advocating sending troops to help fight the Russians.

 

Why is that? 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by trastrick

[Kidorry 189]

2 hours ago, Magilla said:

Jesus, what a load of retarded guff, does Russia need another Lord Haw Haw?

 

Which highlights just how ridiculous your narrative is. You really are full of it.

Yes, and he would be speechless without copy and paste.

[trastrick 866]

Not so, but they are demanded by the usual suspects.

 

And often more informative and on topic than the infantile insults, namecalling and cheap one liners. 

[Waldo 96]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Not at all.

But those are the options.

 

So if you're not advocating for surrender / negotiation / subjugation / becoming a vassal state of Russia, then what options remain aside from fighting back?

[trastrick 866]

I have posted my opinions at great length on this thread. I'm sure this is getting boring for some.

 

Basically, International leadership must call for an intervention with Zelensky and force him to face the reality of geopolitical politics, stop destroying his country and killing his people in an unwinnable war, in which the armchair warmongers are cheering along from their cosy sofas in front of their tellys.

 

Stop the hypoctrical socialists, with their phony 'climate change' Paris Accord agendas, to immediately shut down all imports of Russian Fossil Fuel Oil and Gas, which is financing Putin's adventurism.

 

The only people who are winning are Putin, and the Military Industrial Complex. They are getting filthy rich.

 

A negotiated settlement that WILL actually come sooner or later as the futlie slaughter and the destruction reaches unsustainable levels. Only Turkey is commited to brokering this solution, at the moment.

 

Better sooner, than later, but there appears to be no other International Leadership at present, other than hypocrital feigned outrage and virtue signalling, so the war will go on indefinitely.

 

It seems foreigners dying in droves, civilian hospitals and schools and a whole country being destroyed, and 3 million refugees struggling to leave Zelensky's Ukraine, is no big deal to the armchair warmongers.

 

It won't end until the spoiled, cosy, decadent, and complacent folks in the West start to feel a little pain themselves, and start to complain. Just like they did with the COVID shutdowns.

 

Where are the "Marches for Peace"? The "End this war, NOW" crowd?

Edited April 1, 2022 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol 614]

7 minutes ago, trastrick said:

I have posted my opinions at great length on this thread. I'm sure this is getting boring for some.

 

Basically, International leadership must call for an intervention with Zelensky and force him to face the reality of geopolitical politics, stop destroying his country and killing his people in an unwinnable war, in which the armchair warmongers are cheering along from their cosy sofas in front of their tellys.

 

Stop the hypoctrical socialists, with their phony 'climate change' Paris Accord agendas, to immediately shut down all imports of Russian Fossil Fuel Oil and Gas, which is financing Putin's adventurism.

 

The only people who are winning are Putin, and the Military Industrial Complex. They are getting filthy rich.

 

A negotiated settlement that WILL actually come sooner or later as the futlie slaughter and the destruction reaches unsustainable levels. Only Turkey is commited to brokering this solution, at the moment.

 

Better sooner, than later, but there appears to be no other International Leadership at present, other than hypocrital feigned outrage and virtue signalling, so the war will go on indefinitely.

 

It seems foreigners dying in droves, civilian hospitals and schools and a whole country being destroyed, and 3 million refugees struggling to leave Zelensky's Ukraine, is no big deal to the armchair warmongers.

 

It won't end until the spoiled, cosy, decadent, and complacent folks in the West start to feel a little pain themselves, and start to complain. Just like they did with the COVID shutdowns.

 

Where are the "Marches for Peace"? The "End this war, NOW" crowd?

In our country we have a history of not liking dictators and would be dictators and we respect those who stand against them.

Where you live that might be different.

The far-right appeasers* in 1930's UK and USA made it easier for one dictator to take his chance against one group after the other and then one country after another. Let us not make the same mistake again.