The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[Slinny 278]

20 hours ago, Slinny said:

I will second that

Sunday morning politics joe Cabern ripped the schools minister to pieces  he could not riddle out off it. He tried his gove impersonation , but no joy .the country as really gone to the dog s ,

[melthebell 865]

6 minutes ago, West 77 said:

If an individual doesn't agree with the report findings against them then it's quite correct they can  lodge objections.  It's quite correct there is a deadline for objections to made.

Don't do the crime dont do the time springs to mind

[Slinny 278]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Those individuals named in the Sue Gray report haven't been tried by a judge and jury in a court of law and individuals named in the report who don't believe they have done any crime have every right to lodge objections. 

But the crime has been done and it cost 50pounds not really much is it , but it Sigures . I have lived through many governments but nothing like this ,  but backers will keep boris in, 

[Mister M 1,636]

3 hours ago, Slinny said:

Sunday morning politics joe Cabern ripped the schools minister to pieces  he could not riddle out off it. He tried his gove impersonation , but no joy .the country as really gone to the dog s ,

It's incredible the depths to which Johnson's Ministers have sunk, who have to jump through huge leaps of logic to defend Johnson's lies.

Here is Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, just last week, trying to defend Johnson's lies to Sophy Ridge, but ends up falling flat on his face

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Mister M

[Slinny 278]

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

It's incredible the depths to which Johnson's Ministers have sunk, who have to jump through huge leaps of logic to defend Johnson's lies.

Here is Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, just last week, trying to defend Johnson's lies to Sophy Ridge, but ends up falling flat on his face

 

Kwai was with boris at university they were matesoI was told , if boris goes so will his pay day so what boris says goes , that goes also for most off the front bench . 

[Slinny 278]

25 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Exactly correct £50 isn't much really which is why people receiving fixed penalty notices just pay up rather than going through the legal hassle and expense of challenging the fixed penalty notice.  Paying a fixed penalty notice isn't an admission of guilt of a criminal act. Boris was backed by the electorate who gave him an eighty seat majority which is the reason he is still in 10 Downing Street. The electorate will get an opportunity in two years time to decide whether they will back him for another term in office which is how democracy works in our country.

If you say so , you stick with it , well I am 78 and never in all the governments have I seen anything like this , so many many problems . And so much money thrown in or talked about . But nothing gets any better . Thatcher was bad enough but nothing like this , please tell me how anyone can manage on the basic rate off pay , when I was at work my job was very physical , but we could easily manage on one wage and save ,do you really think a young working couple can get by on one wage,  basic I mean ,  well I can tell you with confidence they cannot .

[Zinger549 233]

1 minute ago, Slinny said:

If you say so , you stick with it , well I am 78 and never in all the governments have I seen anything like this , so many many problems . And so much money thrown in or talked about . But nothing gets any better . Thatcher was bad enough but nothing like this , please tell me how anyone can manage on the basic rate off pay , when I was at work my job was very physical , but we could easily manage on one wage and save ,do you really think a young working couple can get by on one wage,  basic I mean ,  well I can tell you with confidence they cannot .

Boris delivered Brexit, that's all they care about.

[Slinny 278]

33 minutes ago, Zinger549 said:

Boris delivered Brexit, that's all they care about.

What I can see off it ,if we mess with northern ireland  and America does not like it ,that’s our lot with them . Borises mate trump as gone ,

[Dromedary 166]

46 minutes ago, Slinny said:

If you say so , you stick with it , well I am 78 and never in all the governments have I seen anything like this , so many many problems . And so much money thrown in or talked about . But nothing gets any better . Thatcher was bad enough but nothing like this , please tell me how anyone can manage on the basic rate off pay , when I was at work my job was very physical , but we could easily manage on one wage and save ,do you really think a young working couple can get by on one wage,  basic I mean ,  well I can tell you with confidence they cannot .

If you are over 78 then you must have also lived through the appalling situations when Labour was in power before Thatcher. We had the winter of discontent where strikes were rife, inflation at a record level, high interest rates and high taxation which contributed to the fall of Labour and the reason why Thatcher got into power. Being poor is now calculated on a relative basis and not an absolute basis so a lot of poor people are not actually poor just relatively poor compared to those better off than them.

 

As West 77 has pointed out people have a chance to change it all at the next GE..... if they wish to.

 

44 minutes ago, Zinger549 said:

Boris delivered Brexit, that's all they care about.

Brexit was the only reason I voted for Boris so in that sense yes.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Dromedary

[Anna B 1,417]

59 minutes ago, Zinger549 said:

Boris delivered Brexit, that's all they care about.

Boris didn't deliver Brexit, he just signed a document so he could get elected, without worrying about the 'details' and lying that everything was just dandy. It wasn't. Those details he was so unconcerned about were exactly the same ones Theresa May had wrangled with and had lost her the Premiership. They hadn't gone away and Boris knew it. He lied through his teeth and people wanted to believe him. We know better now.

 

Unfortunately he has left such a mess behind I'm not sure Labour is going to be able to repair it.  And on top of that, no doubt the Tories will constantly be spinning it into being all about 'Labour's incompetence.' 

 

Labour must step up to the plate and be ready to deal with that, or they'll be out of office no sooner than they get in. 

They really must get a hold of the Tory owned media, and control it. It bothers me how much this matters. It shouldn't, but it does. We live in interesting times of lies, propaganda, fake news and everything inbetween. We are being played, such is the power of the media. See how Dromedary is still harking back to the Tory propaganda of 40+ years ago (they're very good at it,) when many are now admitting to times actually being much better back then. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Anna B

[melthebell 865]

25 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Boris didn't deliver Brexit, he just signed a document so he could get elected, without worrying about the 'details' and lying that everything was just dandy. It wasn't. Those details he was so unconcerned about were exactly the same ones Theresa May had wrangled with and had lost her the Premiership. They hadn't gone away and Boris knew it. He lied through his teeth and people wanted to believe him. We know better now.

 

Unfortunately he has left such a mess behind I'm not sure Labour is going to be able to repair it.  And on top of that, no doubt the Tories will constantly be spinning it into being all about 'Labour's incompetence.' 

 

Labour must step up to the plate and be ready to deal with that, or they'll be out of office no sooner than they get in. 

They really must get a hold of the Tory owned media, and control it. It bothers me how much this matters. It shouldn't, but it does. We live in interesting times of lies, propaganda, fake news and everything inbetween. We are being played, such is the power of the media. See how Dromedary is still harking back to the Tory propaganda of 40+ years ago (they're very good at it,) when many are now admitting to times actually being much better back then. 

But labour arent going to get in for years, they are still divided along philosophical lines

[Anna B 1,417]

6 minutes ago, melthebell said:

But labour arent going to get in for years, they are still divided along philosophical lines

I agree. Starmer has caused a disastrous schism in the Labour party by expelling the socialist element in a Socialist party. 

It could have all been so different if he had worked with Corbyn instead of against him uniting both ideologies.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Anna B